The free will systems

fltom

Well-known member
Hey Tom

later when I have time I can discuss these things with you. It’s not a misrepresentation, I know you want them to be. The truth hurts.
sorry but it is as no neither Arminians or Provisionist hold that view
 

fltom

Well-known member
And without you doing your part the same can be said. Your Roman Catholic. Salvation is a cooperative effort.
This is scripture

John 3:16 (ESV)
16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 5:40 (ESV)
40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

John 20:31 (ESV)
31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Why when claiming to believe in sola scripturas do you deny it ?
 

Reformedguy

Well-known member
This is scripture

John 3:16 (ESV)
16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 5:40 (ESV)
40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

John 20:31 (ESV)
31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Why when claiming to believe in sola scripturas do you deny it ?
It is accurate. God merely provides the way, you do the rest. Thats your theology in a nutshell. Your belief has favor. It earns reward. Congrats pope choice meat
 

fltom

Well-known member
It is accurate. God merely provides the way, you do the rest. Thats your theology in a nutshell. Your belief has favor. It earns reward. Congrats pope choice meat
Wrong God forgives, God justifies , God regenerates, God indwells, God saves

He does so when one believes

but instead of dealing with scripture you deal in out of context third party quotes and name calling
 

Reformedguy

Well-known member
Wrong God forgives, God justifies , God regenerates, God indwells, God saves

He does so when one believes

but instead of dealing with scripture you deal in out of context third party quotes and name calling
Right, you earn all that by believing. Your system is by merit. There is no way around it.
 

fltom

Well-known member
Makes ya wonder how they can be so blind to their own beliefs.
Sorry but it is you who are blind as to what others believe


As I told Reformedguy

Wrong God forgives, God justifies , God regenerates, God indwells, God saves

He does so when one believes

..............

man does not forgive his own sins or justify himself or or regenerate himself or indwell himself or save himself

That is simply a strawman erected by Calvinist confusion
 

fltom

Well-known member
Right, you earn all that by believing. Your system is by merit. There is no way around it.
Another misrepresentation

Faith is not a system of merit


If you really held to sola scriptura you would know that

Romans 4:4-5 (ESV)
4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.
5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,

but you do not hold to sola scriptura or scripture itself when it contradicts your theology
 

fltom

Well-known member
Thats why they call themselves provisionists. LOL he does not even follow his own theology. At least the RCC owns it and are not cowardly
Sorry but that is nonsense

No provisionist teaches

man forgives his own sins or justifies himself or regenerates himself or indwells himself or saves himself

That is just a strawman you put forward because you cannot deal with scripture
 

Reformedguy

Well-known member
Another misrepresentation

Faith is not a system of merit


If you really held to sola scriptura you would know that

Romans 4:4-5 (ESV)
4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.
5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,

but you do not hold to sola scriptura or scripture itself when it contradicts your theology
Sure it is. Your a provisionist. God merely provides the way. There is merit in your choice.

And you don't hold or believe your own silly theology pope choice meat
 

Reformedguy

Well-known member
Sorry but that is nonsense

No provisionist teaches

man forgives his own sins or justifies himself or regenerates himself or indwells himself or saves himself

That is just a strawman you put forward because you cannot deal with scripture
What you do believe is God provides the way and you do the rest. Your a RCC
 

fltom

Well-known member
What you do believe is God provides the way and you do the rest. Your a RCC
No I already told you

Sorry but that is nonsense

No provisionist teaches

man forgives his own sins or justifies himself or regenerates himself or indwells himself or saves himself

That is just a strawman you put forward because you cannot deal with scripture
 

fltom

Well-known member
Sure it is. Your a provisionist. God merely provides the way. There is merit in your choice.

And you don't hold or believe your own silly theology pope choice meat
Sorry but ignoring what a poster states and ignoring scripture and indulging in ad hominem and distortion

are not the tactics of one who knows what he is talking about

Rather that is a tactic of those who cannot deal with truth
 

Reformedguy

Well-known member
No I already told you

Sorry but that is nonsense

No provisionist teaches

man forgives his own sins or justifies himself or regenerates himself or indwells himself or saves himself

That is just a strawman you put forward because you cannot deal with scripture
No one said that's what you teach. Strawman.

What you do is teach God provides the way the rest is up to you. Your belief earns you those things listed above. Pope choice meat
 

Reformedguy

Well-known member
Sorry but ignoring what a poster states and ignoring scripture and indulging in ad hominem and distortion

are not the tactics of one who knows what he is talking about

Rather that is a tactic of those who cannot deal with truth
Here's the truth which you cannot dispute. God provides the way, you do the rest. Thats the provisionist position.

What does provisionist mean? Lol
 

fltom

Well-known member
No one said that's what you teach. Strawman.

What you do is teach God provides the way the rest is up to you. Your belief earns you those things listed above. Pope choice meat
Sorry but you did

and you just did so again

Obviously you have no idea of what you are talking about

Nope again

No provisionist teaches

man forgives his own sins or justifies himself or regenerates himself or indwells himself or saves himself

It seem the truth escapes you
 

Reformedguy

Well-known member
Sorry but you did

and you just did so again

Obviously you have no idea of what you are talking about

Nope again

No provisionist teaches

man forgives his own sins or justifies himself or regenerates himself or indwells himself or saves himself

It seem the truth escapes you
Quote saying what you say I said. Edit

Here's what I said you have yet to address.

Your theology, God provides the way and you do the rest. There is merit in your system. I NEVER SAID YOU JUSTIFY YOURSELF OR YOU REGENERATE YOURSELF. QUOTE ME liar
 
Last edited by a moderator:

fltom

Well-known member
Quote saying what you say I said. Edit

Here's what I said you have yet to address.

Your theology, God provides the way and you do the rest. There is merit in your system. I NEVER SAID YOU JUSTIFY YOURSELF OR YOU REGENERATE YOURSELF. QUOTE ME liar
There you go again bearing false witness

what I stated is

Nope again

No provisionist teaches

man forgives his own sins or justifies himself or regenerates himself or indwells himself or saves himself

that is the rest

man does not do it




It seem the truth escapes you
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Top