The Gathering of God's People

Keraz

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The New Nation of Beulah:

Isaiah 62:1-2a For Zion’s sake, I shall not keep silent – until her victory shines forth, like the sunrise, her victory like a blazing torch. The nations will see your victory and their rulers your glory.
Isaiah prophesies for the sake of Zion; the holy Land. There will be a great victory, ‘like a blazing torch’ - a CME sunstrike over the attacking enemies. Isaiah 30:25-30 & 66:15-16, Psalms 11:4-6 The world will see it and be amazed. Jeremiah 33:6-16

Isaiah 62:2b-5 You will receive a new name, the Lord Himself will give it. You will be like a glorious crown in His hand. No more are you forsaken and your Land desolate. You will be called ‘Hephzibah’ and the Land, ‘Beulah’. For the Lord will delight in you and it will be like a marriage: He will rejoice over you as a bridegroom over his bride. ‘Hephzibah’ = My delight is in her. ‘Beulah’ = married. Isaiah 49:18

The Lord’s people, all the Christian Israelites of God, will be gathered and settled into their heritage, all of the holy Land, in the new nation of Beulah. Wonderful promises to them of fertility and wealth. They will live in justice, peace and security, as He intended people to be.


Isaiah 62:6-7 Jerusalem, on your walls, I have posted watchmen, they will call out: You that invoke the Name of the Lord, do not rest and give no rest to the Lord until He makes Jerusalem a praise throughout the world.
The Hebrew word for ‘watchmen’, is ‘natzar’, the root word for Nazarene; literally all Christian believers. WE must not rest or let the Lord forget His people and His Land. Keep praying for our redemption and restoration. Ezekiel 36:24-28, Isaiah 52:7-9

Isaiah 62:8-9 The Lord has sworn to never again allow foreigners to take the produce of the Land, but you who give praises to Him will eat the grain and drink the wine, within My sacred courts.
After the great clearance in the Middle East, the Sixth Seal event; only His righteous people will be allowed to live there, those who love the Lord and obey Him. Isaiah 66:20-21, Ezekiel 20:38

Isaiah 62:10-11 Pass through the gates – clear a road for My people. Build a highway, remove the rocks and make a signal to guide the people. Proclaim to the ends of the earth, say to the offspring of Zion: See your deliverance comes, His reward is with Him and He will make recompense.
The great gathering of the Lord’s people – the second Exodus, will happen in the same manner as the first Exodus. Leaders [shepherds] will arise to guide the flock, in the spirit of Moses and Elijah. Jeremiah 3:14-15, Isaiah 58:11, Isaiah 43:5-7, Micah 4:6, Isaiah 49:9-13, Isaiah 51:3, Zechariah 8:11-12, Isaiah 40:1-5, Ezekiel 11:17

Isaiah 62:12 They will be called ‘The Holy people, the Redeemed of God’ and Jerusalem will be called ‘sought after, the City no longer forsaken’.

The Lord’s faithful Christian people: living in the Holy Land of Beulah, as He created them to live, being a ‘light to the nations’ and witnesses to His salvation. They will be divided into 12 groups, named after the original sons of Jacob. Jesus will appear to them, 1 Thess 1:10 and 12,000 missionaries will be selected from them, Revelation 14:1-7, to go to every people group on earth, to preach the good news of the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19, 1 Peter 2:9-10, Acts 2:39, Jeremiah 31:23-34

Joel 2:23-27 People of Zion, rejoice – your God will recompense you for the years that others have ravaged your Land. You will again have plenty in your own Land. Then you will know that I am present in Israel and that I and no other am your God. We will know the Lord is present by His deeds. Just as it was at the Exodus. Must be before the Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign.

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Keraz

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Isaiah 26:11 Lord; Your hand is lifted high, let the fire reserved for Your enemies consume them. The godless cannot see how You will protect Your people.

Isaiah 26:20-21 Go My people, enter your rooms and shut the doors after you. Withdraw for a little while, until the Lord’s wrath has passed. The Lord is coming from His dwelling place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their sins. Then the earth will show the blood shed on it and hide the slain no more.

Isaiah 25:9 On that Day, Your people will say: See, this is our God, we have waited for Him and He will deliver us, let us rejoice and exult in His deliverance.

Isaiah 25:1-3 God Almighty, You are my God, I shall praise You, for You have done wonderful things – long planned, certain and sure. You have turned cities into heaps of rubble, their houses swept away – never to be rebuilt. For this, many a cruel nation is in awe of You.

Isaiah 26:16-19 In our distress, Lord, we sought You out, chastened by the whisper of Your rebuke. As a woman with child cries out in her pains, so were we because of You, Lord. Our labor has been in vain, we achieved nothing for Your Land or people. But Your dead will live, those long dead who lay in the earth, will rise again, they will arise and shout for joy.

Isaiah 25:4-5 Truly, You have been a refuge to the poor and needy in their distress, their shelter from the tempest, shade from the heat. For the attack of the godless gets them nowhere and You silence the uproar of our enemies.

Isaiah 26:15 Lord, You have enlarged the nation and won honor for Yourself. You have extended all the frontiers of this country.

Isaiah 26:1-2 On that Day this song will be sung in Judah; We have a strong city – Open the gates, let a righteous nation enter, a people who kept the faith.
Reference: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged



The Lord’s hand of judgement is ready to strike, the fire reserved for Your enemies will consume them. Isaiah 66:15-16, Malachi 4:1, Revelation 6:12-17

for the attack of the godless gets them nowhere, The fulfilment of Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12, Jeremiah 49:35-37

Whole cities are destroyed and those killed will lie unburied. Amos 1:1-15, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 9:22, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Isaiah 17:1

But the Lord will be a refuge for His righteous people. Psalms 62:5-8, Zephaniah 2:3

..shade from the heat, they; withdraw for a little while,– take shelter from the fire reserved for His enemies, a huge Coronal Mass Ejection fireball, that will destroy them.
Isaiah 30:26-30, Proverbs 3:25-26, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7


Then: a righteous nation enters, Matthew 21:43, into all of the holy Land area, as promised to the Patriarchs, by descent or grafted in by faith. Galatians 3:36-29
They will live in the new country of Beulah in peace and prosperity. Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Jeremiah 31:10-14, Isaiah 27:6, Ezekiel 28:24-26, Romans 9:24-26

They are all the faithful Christians from every race, nation and language, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 7:9, who will fulfill their destiny to be a light to the nations and His witnesses to the world. Isaiah 43:10-12, John 15:27, Isaiah 66:19, Isaiah 49:8

Your dead will rise again This happens later, Jesus will bring the souls of the dead martyrs with Him at His Return. Revelation 6:9-11, Revelation 20:4 and then, after the Millennium. all who have ever lived will stand before God in Judgement. Revelation 20:11-15
 

Keraz

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Here is a question for those who believe in a pre-trib rapture to heaven of the Church; they need to carefully consider:
If the Church is taken to heaven while Jewish Israel remain on earth, to go through the Great Tribulation, how is it that God’s holy people are seen in the holy Land before the GT?


The next prophesied event is the Sixth Seal world changer, Revelation 6:12-17 -

Isaiah 66:15-21 The Lord is coming in fire, He will destroy the ungodly peoples.......... I am coming to gather people from all the nations, they will declare My glory to the world. They will come on every means of transport to My holy City. Psalms 107

Ezekiel 34:11-16..After the Lord’s Day of wrath....I shall search for My sheep and gather them from out of the nations into their own country.... John 10:16
Isaiah 35:1-10 The Land will be regenerated ....and a highway will appear, that the ransomed of the Lord shall walk on as they come to Zion, with gladness and joy.

Romans 9:24-26 We Christians are the objects of God’s mercy, who He has called out of the Jew and Gentile peoples....In the same place as the ancient Israelites were rejected; you will be called the children of the Living God.


Then; later, when the leader of the rest of the world takes dictatorial control,

Daniel 7:25 ...the holy people will be delivered into his power, [the Anti-Christ] for 3½ years.
Revelation 13:5-7 The beast, [the Anti-Christ] is given authority over the world for 42 months and he wages war on God’s people, defeating them.
Revelation 12:17 Furiously, the dragon, [the Anti-Christ] persecutes those who keep the Commandments and who witness to Jesus.


The pre-trib rapture doctrine has the current inhabitants of Israel, who are in apostasy and rejection of Jesus now; passing through the final 3½ year period before Jesus Returns and finally accepting Christianity, as per Zechariah 12:9-14

But the prophesies above, plainly state that it will be the faithful people of God, who are Christian people from every tribe, race, nation and language, who are present in the holy Land during the seven years of Daniel 9:27.

Also it is God’s faithful Christian people who are there when Gog and his horde attack them and the Lord protects them. Ezekiel 38:8-12



This truth is confirmed by many prophesies, especially Jeremiah 12:14=16:

Jeremiah 12:14-16 These are the Words of the Lord: I am against all those evil neighbours who have encroached onto the Land that My Israelite people will inherit. Take note; I will pluck them out from where they are now and also I will pluck out the House of Judah as well. After I have removed them, I will Return and have compassion on them, bringing them back to their heritage, if they will diligently learn the way of My people, to only swear by My Name: the Living God. But if they refuse, then I will completely remove and destroy them. This Bible passage is extremely informative, it gives the Lord’s plans for three groups of people:

1/ The evil neighbours; The Islamic nations and entities surrounding Israel. Soon to be cleared out of the entire Middle East region by the terrible Day of the Lord’s wrath by fire from the sun. Psalms 83:1-18, Isaiah 30:25-30, Amos 1:1-11, 2:1-5

2/ The House of Judah, the Jewish people, currently inhabiting a part of the holy Land. The same fate as the neighbours, but a remnant will be saved. Isaiah 6:11-13, Zechariah 13:8-9, Romans 9:27

3/ My people; the true Israelites of God, every Christian believer; individuals from every tribe, race, nation and language. Revelation 5:9-10, 1 Peter 2:9-10

The story described here, is clear and concise: The Lord is about to solve all the Middle East problems, to a similar degree as how He reset civilization in Noah’s time. All the holy land will be depopulated, Jeremiah 10:18, excepting a small remnant of Messianic Jews who will shelter in bunkers in Jerusalem. Isaiah 29:1-4, Romans 9:27

This clearance will allow the gathering and settling of His faithful Christian people into their heritage where they will, at last be the people He always wanted there; a people who will be His witnesses; Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27, and display His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-16

Our Christian heritage, in all of the holy Land and our destiny. Ezekiel 39:25-29
 

puddleglum

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Here is a question for those who believe in a pre-trib rapture to heaven of the Church; they need to carefully consider:
If the Church is taken to heaven while Jewish Israel remain on earth, to go through the Great Tribulation, how is it that God’s holy people are seen in the holy Land before the GT?

The Holy Spirit will continue working on earth and will bring many people to believe and be saved. There will be believers on earth after the rapture but they will not be part of the church.
 

Keraz

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The Holy Spirit will continue working on earth and will bring many people to believe and be saved. There will be believers on earth after the rapture but they will not be part of the church.
There is no scriptural support for a rapture to heaven of the Church. Many verses say we must endure until the end and Revelation 12:17 says how Christians will be persecuted during the final 3 1/2 years.
Look forward to and be prepared to travel to the holy Land, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Psalms 107, where we will live in peace and prosperity until the short time of the Anti Christ. Even then, those Christians who keep strong in their faith, will be kept safe; Revelation 12:14
 

rod.ney

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There is no scriptural support for a rapture to heaven of the Church. Many verses say we must endure until the end and Revelation 12:17 says how Christians will be persecuted during the final 3 1/2 years.
Look forward to and be prepared to travel to the holy Land, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Psalms 107, where we will live in peace and prosperity until the short time of the Anti Christ. Even then, those Christians who keep strong in their faith, will be kept safe; Revelation 12:14
1 Thess 4:14-17 supports the Rapture ( Caught up ), as the True Church is the Bride of Christ and the marriage of the Lamb ( Jesus - Rev.19:7 -8 ) will occur in Heaven, while seven years of Dan.9:27 is happening back on planet earth! His Bride will FOLLOW Him back ( as part of the armies of Heaven - Rev.19:14 ) to planet earth at the END of those final 7 years of Dan.9:27, to be at His side while He & those resurrected beheaded Trib. saints ( who are NOT part of the church/bride ) REIGN for 1000 years as per Rev.20:4-6! The Bride will escape Dan.9:27 via the Caught Up of 1 Thess.4:17 and stand at the Judgment ( BEMA ) seat ( 2 Cor.5:10 ) as per Luke 21:36! Case closed! ------------------------------------

Luke 21:36​

New International Version​

36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape ( via 1 Thess.4:17 ) all that is about to happen ( in Dan.9:27 ), and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man ( in 2 Cor.5:10 ).” --------------- To make yourself ready for the wedding of Rev.19:7-8! ------------------------- Those who come to Faith in Jesus after the Caught Up of 1 Thess.4:17 transpires are Trib. saints ( Not Bride members - the church ) and they are the ones that must endure to the end of those 7 years of Dan.9:27!
 
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Keraz

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1 Thess 4:14-17 supports the Rapture ( Caught up ), as the True Church is the Bride of Christ and the marriage of the Lamb ( Jesus - Rev.19:7 -8 ) will occur in Heaven, while seven years of Dan.9:27 is happening back on planet earth! His Bride will FOLLOW Him back ( as part of the armies of Heaven - Rev.19:14 ) to planet earth at the END of those final 7 years of Dan.9:27, to be at His side while He & those resurrected beheaded Trib. saints ( who are NOT part of the church/bride ) REIGN for 1000 years as per Rev.20:4-6! The Bride will escape Dan.9:27 via the Caught Up of 1 Thess.4:17 and stand at the Judgment ( BEMA ) seat ( 2 Cor.5:10 ) as per Luke 21:36! Case closed! -
Complete unscriptural rubbish.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 plainly states that it happens when Jesus has departed from heaven, on His way to the earth, where those faithful people will rise to meet Him in the atmosphere, then to be with Him in Jerusalem. A physical transportation, the same as what happened to Philip. Acts 8:39

In no way do humans accompany Jesus coming from heaven. Revelation 19:14 is clear: ONLY the armies of heaven come with Him.
The idea of riding white horses and waving swords, is a sci-fi dream, way beyond anything even dreamed of by Hollywood.
 

rod.ney

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Complete unscriptural rubbish.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 plainly states that it happens when Jesus has departed from heaven, on His way to the earth, where those faithful people will rise to meet Him in the atmosphere, then to be with Him in Jerusalem. A physical transportation, the same as what happened to Philip. Acts 8:39

In no way do humans accompany Jesus coming from heaven. Revelation 19:14 is clear: ONLY the armies of heaven come with Him.
The idea of riding white horses and waving swords, is a sci-fi dream, way beyond anything even dreamed of by Hollywood.
No it does NOT say to planet earth in 1 Thess.4:14-17! It CLEARLY says to the Clouds in the air, which is NOT planet earth! FYI, at the END ( Matt.24:29 ) of the Tribulation of Dan.9:27 is when He comes back to planet earth to REIGN for 1000 years ( Rev.20:4-6 ) and His Bride Follows Him from heaven back to earth at the END of that Great Trib.! So don't forget that scripture has His Complete Bride in Heaven with Him for His wedding ( Rev.19:7-8 ) for Bridal Week while that SAME week of years of Dan.9:27 is happening back on planet earth! Case Closed as the Caught Up of 1 Thess.4:17 is Pre-Trib. and NOT Post Trib. in order for His wedding to happen BEFORE His Post-trib. return ( with His Bride Following Him ) to REIGN for 1000 Years with the resurrected beheaded Trib. saints, with His Bride at His side!
 

Keraz

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scripture has His Complete Bride in Heaven with Him for His wedding ( Rev.19:7-8 )
Revelation 19:7-8 do not say the Wedding will be in heaven. You have made that up.

You are so far in confusion and false theories that it is a waste of time to discuss Bible prophecy with you.
 

rod.ney

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Revelation 19:7-8 do not say the Wedding will be in heaven. You have made that up.

You are so far in confusion and false theories that it is a waste of time to discuss Bible prophecy with you.
No I did NOT make it up because in the Traditional Jewish wedding ( that Jesus goes by - because only His Father knows, as He tells His Son when He can go Fetch His Bride - See Matt.24:36 ), the son prepares a place for His Bride in His Fathers house ( See John 14:2-3 )! Jesus's Father's house is in Heaven and He takes her there to get ready ( via the BEMA ) for the wedding! So yes indeed the wedding ( Rev.19:7-8 ) Transpires in Heaven and she FOLLOWS Him ( Rev.19:14 ) back to earth at the END of the marriage week ( in His Father's house where they consummate their marriage for 1 week in that place He prepared for her ) , which is the SAME week ( of years ) that Daniel 9:27 lasts on planet earth! So the Honneymoon is the 1000 Years of the Millennium Kingdom back on planet earth! Also in the Traditional Jewish wedding, the Groom pays the dowery ( Price ) for His Bride to be and Jesus did that on the Cross! Case closed ( the Wedding is in Heaven )! Also she gets made READY for the wedding Via the BEMA seat ( Judgment seat of Christ - 2 Cor.5:10 ), which is also in Heaven via the ESCAPE ( Caught Up - 1 Thess.4:17 to stand before the Son of man at the BEMA seat ) of Luke 21:36, before the wedding takes place in Heaven! All of Christ's Bride will be in Heaven ( via the Caught Up of 1 Thess.4:17 ), while Dan.9:27 is happening back on planet earth with all those left behind! In these as is posted scriptures, the wedding of the Lamb ( Jesus ) fits perfectly with the Traditional Jewish wedding !--------------------------

Luke 21:36​

New International Version​

36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen ( in Dan.9:27 ), and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.” ( Jesus at the BEMA seat in Heaven )
 
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