You do know who Jesus was addressing when He made those remarks right ? This has zero to do with anyone accept the Jews who should have known about their coming Messiah and yet you give it universal application and place all mankind under what Jesus specifically addressed to the JEWS. Jesus was addressing the ones He said He personally told and who rejected Him.This assumption and belief of yours is what's dead, and ineffective. It accomplishes nothing, though the oxymoron is that you call it alive & active. This has always been our position, that God's Grace is effectual in its purpose, not irresistible for God's elect. It is Alive and Active this is one point I agree with you, but I disagree with you that it accomplishes nothing.
So, I'll ask you again, why does Grace precede Faith? If you seek the truth, you will not be ashamed, because it's what I seek, not winning a debate.
Joe do you really read and try to understand our posts??? We believe all of this, and this is what we have been saying. But where differ, is we believe it's effectual because it is alive and active, you guys on the other hand say it's alive and "ACTIVE", but accomplishes nothing. And I know you will disagree with me a course, but you cannot refute Scripture, you can try, with futile efforts.
27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”
You answered, but addressed nothing. Why do they refuse? The Bible answers this questions, friend.
John 10:25Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep.
Know what you believe and why you believe it.