Leatherneck0311
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There is no mention of the elect in John 6:45. You are seeing things that are not in that verse.
The gospel in Genesis.
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They were chosen by before the creation (Eph 1:ff; Rom 8:29-30)
That is what scripture teaches. Anyone telling you differently is lying to you.
Thst is what scripture teaches.
That's Calvinism.
Thats Calvinism for you
I suppose you never heard a Calvinist say believing is evidence they were already saved
or claim regeneration precedes faith
I didn't say there was, but by that, we learn that IT IS YOU see things that are not written ...
You're right. I've never heard a Calvinist say that.
However, I have heard Calvinists say believing is evidence one is elect.
Have you also never heard Calvinists claim regeneration precedes faith?
Leatherneck0311
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Find pre destination in John 3:16 or Acts 16:31. Hint: it isn’t there.
Leatherneck0311
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That is not what you said in post # 808. This is what you said in post# 808: That supports my position, Tom. The elect will hear; the non-elect won't.
It does.
ReverendRV
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It is so unfulfilling when someone asks, I answer; but the subject is changed. Then When I respond back, I'm skipped entirely. I'm not saying this to be ugly; just to tell it like it is...
Let's face it; people would just rather fight
Predestination is taught in scripture. End of story.
What I said is true. Both that the elect will hear and the non-elect won't, and that it is you who sees things that are not written.
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And bicker.It is so unfulfilling when someone asks, I answer; but the subject is changed. Then When I respond back, I'm skipped entirely. I'm not saying this to be ugly; just to tell it like it is...
Let's face it; people would just rather fight
ReverendRV
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If we actually TALKED this stuff out, it would all be settled soon...
But we can't do that! Who wants to HAVE to believe something they don't want to believe???
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Leatherneck0311
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For specific actions at specific times yes it is. It does not negate John 3:16 and acts 16:31.
Leatherneck0311
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I apologize I got side tracked grand daughter was hungry so I fixed her some food.It is so unfulfilling when someone asks, I answer; but the subject is changed. Then When I respond back, I'm skipped entirely. I'm not saying this to be ugly; just to tell it like it is...
Let's face it; people would just rather fight
ReverendRV
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No one can argue against that...