The gospel in Genesis.

[Carbon]

Are you still spreading that nonsense after being corrected by every Christian on this forum? Why are you doing that?

Why?
😎

 

[Reformedguy]

What I call an inconsistent argument because I can state the same "truth" about your position.

To wit: @fltom and @Chalcedon and @Johnnybgood latch on to certain verses and read the entire bible in the light of how they read that verse and everything contrary goes to the waste side.

This is the guy who latches on to the verse dealing with free will offering

 

[ReverendRV]

We have a winner

No one has noticed how I wrote that, Lol. Being quick to speak and slow to hear is what it's like at CARM...

 

[Leatherneck0311]

Your saved by grace. No grace no faith. You really have no clue do you

You have it backwards no faith no grace.

 

[Carbon]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

where does the Bible ever quote this verse and use it with the gospel ?

🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱

Lol.

 

[Howie]

You have it backwards no faith no grace.

In that case, grace is pointless.

 

[Howie]

In calvie talk that is true 😂

Said the Pelagian ... 🤔

 

[Reformedguy]

You have it backwards no faith no grace.

Where does the Bible say faith is required for grace?

 

[Howie]

Where does the Bible say grace and faith are not required ?

oops see Ephesians 2:8-9

in calvie talk isn’t faith a grace , a gift

oops 😬

The Pelagian sounds off ...

 

[Carbon]

The Pelagian sounds off ...

Yep

 

[Reformedguy]

The Pelagian sounds off ...

Notice he did not answer the question

 

[Howie]

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◄ 627. apologia ►

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Strong's Concordance apologia: a speech in defense​ Original Word: ἀπολογία, ας, ἡ Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine Transliteration: apologia Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ol-og-ee'-ah) Definition: a speech in defense Usage: a verbal defense (particularly in a law court). HELPS Word-studies 627 apología (from 575 /apó, "from" and 3056 /lógos, "intelligent reasoning") – properly, a well-reasoned reply; a thought-out response to adequately address the issue(s) that is raised. 627 /apología ("reasoned defense") is the term for making a legal defense in an ancient court. Today 627 /apología("biblical apologetics") is used for supplying evidences for the Christian faith. [An "apology" in classical times had nothing to do with saying, "I'm sorry," but rather was a reasoned argument(defense) that presented evidence(supplied compelling proof).]

The Pelagian defends Pelagius.

 

[Leatherneck0311]

Where does the Bible say faith is required for grace?

Ephesians 2:8,9 by grace through faith. No faith no grace.

Heb 11:6 - But without faith it isimpossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

 

[fltom]

Are you still spreading that nonsense after being corrected by every Christian on this forum? Why are you doing that?

Corrected by every Christian on this forum?

You better read again

 

[Reformedguy]

Ephesians 2:8,9 by grace through faith. No faith no grace.

Heb 11:6 - But without faith it isimpossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

LOL, that does not say no faith no grace

 

[fltom]

Yep 👍

Indeed we have a least a couple who affirm hard determinism

and most all Calvinists declare God has determined all things

 

[fltom]

Yes with several it’s fatalism

but but Howie denies that

 

[fltom]

The Pelagian sounds off ...

Oh the Calvinist bogeyman

 

[fltom]

Says the one who makes up the word gospel in Gen 3:15 🥱

nowhere in the Bible does any verse say Gen 3:15 is the gospel .

eisegesis

The term Proto-evangelium, meaning "the first gospel or good news," is traditionally applied to Gn 3.15 where God curses the serpent who had just enticed the first woman to break His commandment. It reads: I will put enmity between you and the woman, between your seed and her seed; He shall crush your head, and you shall lie in wait for his heel.

 

[Leatherneck0311]

LOL, that does not say no faith no grace

That is exactly what it says. It says without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God. You believe anyone who displeases God and does not believe in Him will receive grace ? Heb 11:6 - But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.