Carbon
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?Lol, your a legend in your own mind I would expect nothing less.
?Lol, your a legend in your own mind I would expect nothing less.
The glorifying of self diminishes God.Wrong ! Jesus explained why some don’t accept Him.Jhn 3:19 - And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
How true. Yet they will scan this accurate observation and dismiss it offhand. They are not willing to look introspectively at what you observe.It’s interesting to read many of the arguments in this A&C areas, seeing the free willers fighting so hard to protect their free will idol. Instead of discussing scripture they would rather discuss Calvinism and how evil it is. This is their strawman they hide behind. They believe in decisional regeneration, they even though they can’t quite see it, they save themselves.
Correct, that is the Biblical stance and God is forever glorified.The reformed however, maintain that it is impossible for men to engage in any saving good unless there is a living bond between them and Him who declared “apart from Me you can do nothing” John 15:5.
We hold that faith, repentance and justification presuppose the mystical union and are fruits of the organic union of God’s chosen ones in Christ, who is the living embodiment of all saving grace.
One had no hand in being born. You did NOTHING. Why would one then have anything to do with a second birth, or spiritual birth.This mystical union with Christ is at one and the same time the very beginning of salvation. It is both the fountain and guarantee of every Christian virtue and every Christian exercise.
Amen!Faith, hope and love, which are the three great requisites for salvation on man’s part, all find their sources in the fellowship established by the Holy Spirit between the Savior and the elect in the moment of regeneration.
They are too self absorbed. Cannot look past self and they demand that God should have mercy and compassion based on human will and choices made through the human will.This is the same for Arminians. They just do not see these explicit truths in scripture.
We know the spirit is not given to unbelievers despite you prior error claiming the spirit was given to unbelieversDoes the Spirit only work externally prior to faith?
Alright, now I see what has happened. He believes that "the god of this age" refers to the one true God and not to Satan. That is certainly a minority view, but it is not intended blasphemously.Here read it below
Why the Jews did not believe Jesus
All of Israel were not unbelievers; there were many who did believe; and they have a promise of a future restoration; whereas the Gentiles, who do not continue faithful, have no such promise: no not all Rom. 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of...forums.carm.org
Because the bible shows you mustOne had no hand in being born. You did NOTHING. Why would one then have anything to do with a second birth, or spiritual birth.
People who think this says you must do something instead of "in order to be saved you must be born again" are nothing but ignoramuses' that abuse scripture and claim no one can refute them.Because the bible shows you must
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
And is that accomplished externally exclusively? For instance, how does He turn the kings heart where He wishes it to go?We know the spirit is not given to unbelievers despite you prior error claiming the spirit was given to unbelievers
The only thing the spirit is stated to do for the unbeliever is
John 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
You are fabricatingAnd is that accomplished externally exclusively? For instance, how does He turn the kings heart where He wishes it to go?
I have never said, by the way, the Spirit is given to unbelievers.
LOLPeople who think this says you must do something instead of "in order to be saved you must be born again" are nothing but ignoramuses' that abuse scripture and claim no one can refute them.
Not interested in your falsehoods.
Bye
Never said given. That's your termYou are fabricating
You argued based on Ezek 36 that men believe by being given the Spirit
Your claim is not to be trusted
FabricationNever said given. That's your term
Given not in the indwelt sense. I could say the HS is given to the world to reprove it of sin. You simply misunderstandFabrication
Your words
"It's given to unbelievers so they may understand the things of God of which the gospel is included. Thankfully you give up the silly claim the gospel is not among the "things of God"."
Your wordsGiven not in the indwelt sense. I could say the HS is given to the world to reprove it of sin. You simply misunderstand
Nope. Never says indwelling.Your words
"It's given to unbelievers so they may understand the things of God of which the gospel is included. Thankfully you give up the silly claim the gospel is not among the "things of God"."
were undergirded by your appeal to
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
and that speaks of indwelling
you are fabricating here
You still fabricateNope. Never says indwelling.
I explained given which of course you totally ignored. I will not do it again. DEAL WITH IT
I know what I wrote and explained.You still fabricate
Your words
"It's given to unbelievers so they may understand the things of God of which the gospel is included. Thankfully you give up the silly claim the gospel is not among the "things of God"."
It is the holy Spirit
were undergirded by your appeal to
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
and that speaks of indwelling
you are fabricating here
BTW you never stated
"I could say the HS is given to the world to reprove it of sin"
Face you error and man up
Sorry but that is revisionismI know what I wrote and explained.
I'm stating it now. DEAL WITH IT