It is heresy and serious false doctrine to teach that there is a difference
in the message of the Lord Jesus and in the message of the Apostle
Paul who was personally called and personally appointed by the Lord
Jesus Himself.
JAG
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in the message of the Lord Jesus and in the message of the Apostle
Paul who was personally called and personally appointed by the Lord
Jesus Himself.
JAG
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Jim Jones and David Koresh made the same decleration didnt they? That does not mean it came from God.
If these such as Paul woukld have said instead, Go to the Father for yourself and He will give it you, then he wouild have spoken unbder the authoriety of Lord Jesus for Jesus n said the same, go to the Father for yourself and He will give it you.
Why cant people see that Jesus is the way? Paul is not the way Jesus is the way to the Father be in you Himself. He in you and you in Him as one. See Jesus in John 17. Most follow Paul instead of Jesus.
The following passage from 2 Timothy refers to the heretics and
false teachers of the first century, but the principle is fully
applicable to heretics and false teachers here today in the
21st century , , , , ,
___________________________________________________________________________________
"In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the
living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom,
I give you this charge:
Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct,
rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound
doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around
them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears
want to hear.
They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the
work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry."
2 Timothy 4:1-5
____________________________________________________________________________
It is heresy and serious false doctrine to teach that there is a difference
in the message of the Lord Jesus and in the message of the Apostle
Paul who was personally called and personally appointed by the Lord
Jesus Himself.
My view: This level of heresy is grounds for social-separation and grounds
for a formal breaking-of-fellowship if we were in a local church
setting , , , ,
, , , I would vote to excommunicate all those who "claimed to be Christians"
while at the same time teaching that the message of the Lord Jesus was a
different message from the message taught by Paul and ALL the other
Apostles that the Lord Jesus personally appointed and personally called
to be His Apostles.
People who teach this level of heresy and false doctrine ought to be barred
from church membership in any local Christian church.
My view that this level of heresy and false doctrine would not be tolerated by
any orthodox Bible believing Christian Church and the false teachers would
be rightly excommunicated -- however here inside Thread World on the Internet
At large there is provided a podium and a microphone for some of everything
on the planet no matter how strange and weird -- and no matter how heretical
and no matter what level of heresy and false doctrines is presented -- all can
have a soap box to hawk their heresy and false doctrines.
The heresy and false doctrine that says there is a difference in the message of
the Lord Jesus and in the message of His personally called and personally appointed
Apostles ---will destroy and wreck Christianity. This heresy de facto destroys the
credibility of the 13 epistles written by Paul and destroys and wrecks the New
Testament itself. Christianity cannot survive with a wrecked and destroyed New
Testament -- all of Christendom is built on the foundation of the APOSTLES and
prophets , , and Christ Jesus Himself is the chief cornerstone , , ,
"Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens
with God’s people and also members of his household, built on the foundation
of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.
In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple
in the Lord. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling
in which God lives by his Spirit."
Ephesians 2:19-22
JAG
``
The following passage from 2 Timothy refers to the heretics and
false teachers of the first century, but the principle is fully
applicable to heretics and false teachers here today in the
21st century , , , , ,
___________________________________________________________________________________
"In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the
living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom,
I give you this charge:
Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct,
rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound
doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around
them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears
want to hear.
They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the
work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry."
2 Timothy 4:1-5
____________________________________________________________________________
It is heresy and serious false doctrine to teach that there is a difference
in the message of the Lord Jesus and in the message of the Apostle
Paul who was personally called and personally appointed by the Lord
Jesus Himself.
My view: This level of heresy is grounds for social-separation and grounds
for a formal breaking-of-fellowship if we were in a local church
setting , , , ,
, , , I would vote to excommunicate all those who "claimed to be Christians"
while at the same time teaching that the message of the Lord Jesus was a
different message from the message taught by Paul and ALL the other
Apostles that the Lord Jesus personally appointed and personally called
to be His Apostles.
People who teach this level of heresy and false doctrine ought to be barred
from church membership in any local Christian church.
My view that this level of heresy and false doctrine would not be tolerated by
any orthodox Bible believing Christian Church and the false teachers would
be rightly excommunicated -- however here inside Thread World on the Internet
At large there is provided a podium and a microphone for some of everything
on the planet no matter how strange and weird -- and no matter how heretical
and no matter what level of heresy and false doctrines is presented -- all can
have a soap box to hawk their heresy and false doctrines.
The heresy and false doctrine that says there is a difference in the message of
the Lord Jesus and in the message of His personally called and personally appointed
Apostles ---will destroy and wreck Christianity. This heresy de facto destroys the
credibility of the 13 epistles written by Paul and destroys and wrecks the New
Testament itself. Christianity cannot survive with a wrecked and destroyed New
Testament -- all of Christendom is built on the foundation of the APOSTLES and
prophets , , and Christ Jesus Himself is the chief cornerstone , , ,
"Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens
with God’s people and also members of his household, built on the foundation
of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.
In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple
in the Lord. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling
in which God lives by his Spirit."
Ephesians 2:19-22
JAG
``
You heard from Paul ... I heard from God Himself, the One Jesus lead me to to hear from Him myself.The following passage from 2 Timothy refers to the heretics and
false teachers of the first century, but the principle is fully
applicable to heretics and false teachers here today in the
21st century , , , , ,
___________________________________________________________________________________
"In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the
living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom,
I give you this charge:
Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct,
rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound
doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around
them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears
want to hear.
They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the
work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry."
2 Timothy 4:1-5
____________________________________________________________________________
It is heresy and serious false doctrine to teach that there is a difference
in the message of the Lord Jesus and in the message of the Apostle
Paul who was personally called and personally appointed by the Lord
Jesus Himself.
My view: This level of heresy is grounds for social-separation and grounds
for a formal breaking-of-fellowship if we were in a local church
setting , , , ,
, , , I would vote to excommunicate all those who "claimed to be Christians"
while at the same time teaching that the message of the Lord Jesus was a
different message from the message taught by Paul and ALL the other
Apostles that the Lord Jesus personally appointed and personally called
to be His Apostles.
People who teach this level of heresy and false doctrine ought to be barred
from church membership in any local Christian church.
My view that this level of heresy and false doctrine would not be tolerated by
any orthodox Bible believing Christian Church and the false teachers would
be rightly excommunicated -- however here inside Thread World on the Internet
At large there is provided a podium and a microphone for some of everything
on the planet no matter how strange and weird -- and no matter how heretical
and no matter what level of heresy and false doctrines is presented -- all can
have a soap box to hawk their heresy and false doctrines.
The heresy and false doctrine that says there is a difference in the message of
the Lord Jesus and in the message of His personally called and personally appointed
Apostles ---will destroy and wreck Christianity. This heresy de facto destroys the
credibility of the 13 epistles written by Paul and destroys and wrecks the New
Testament itself. Christianity cannot survive with a wrecked and destroyed New
Testament -- all of Christendom is built on the foundation of the APOSTLES and
prophets , , and Christ Jesus Himself is the chief cornerstone , , ,
"Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens
with God’s people and also members of his household, built on the foundation
of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.
In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple
in the Lord. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling
in which God lives by his Spirit."
Ephesians 2:19-22
JAG
``
If Paul is your way and you need him for your instruction and salvation then knock yourself out, As for me Jesus is the better teacher of the way to our Father who God gives us His way and to be in His same image.
But I really dont see where Jesus needed Paul to speak for him, nor any other man. Jesus was capable of recieving his information from God just as we all do who followed him to that place in the Father of it.
If you took out everything man said about him from the bible and have only what was quoted of Jesus and what he said that you should have and be in the Father yourself, you would have a completly different bible than what all these others had their own opinions about him.
That bible has been edites so many times by mans opinions that it has lost Gods intent for man to be like Him. Note the edited ( ) in the king James itself , did not man incorperate his own opinions in it? I dont read Paul in his assesment for Jesus or God, God is sufficient to convey His will perfectly, Jesus was my teacher on how to, Gods example sent to me for me to follow as Lord. If one does not follow him to the Father then hs is not Lord over you at all. Paul is lord over you just as you lift him up in his way for sin instead of Jesus in his way for righteousness.
Who do you think put Paul in the book in the first place? Was it not man who decided what was of God and what wasnt and what goes in there and what doesnt?
God really is sufficient to convey His will for me. Im not the way, you are not the way, Paul is not the way, Jesus is my way that I live in the Father.
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Your teaching wrecks and destroys the Bible and wrecks and destroysYou heard from Paul ... I heard from God Himself, the One Jesus lead me to to hear from Him myself.
If Paul is your way and you need him for your instruction and salvation then knock yourself out, As for me Jesus is the better teacher of the way to our Father who God gives us His way and to be in His same image.
But I really dont see where Jesus needed Paul to speak for him, nor any other man. Jesus was capable of recieving his information from God just as we all do who followed him to that place in the Father of it.
If you took out everything man said about him from the bible and have only what was quoted of Jesus and what he said that you should have and be in the Father yourself, you would have a completly different bible than what all these others had their own opinions about him.
That bible has been edites so many times by mans opinions that it has lost Gods intent for man to be like Him. Note the edited ( ) in the king James itself , did not man incorperate his own opinions in it? I dont read Paul in his assesment for Jesus or God, God is sufficient to convey His will perfectly, Jesus was my teacher on how to, Gods example sent to me for me to follow as Lord. If one does not follow him to the Father then hs is not Lord over you at all. Paul is lord over you just as you lift him up in his way for sin instead of Jesus in his way for righteousness.
Who do you think put Paul in the book in the first place? Was it not man who decided what was of God and what wasnt and what goes in there and what doesnt?
God really is sufficient to convey His will for me. Im not the way, you are not the way, Paul is not the way, Jesus is my way that I live in the Father.
the New Testament and by extension thereby wrecks and destroys
Christianity itself.
Your teaching is serious major heresy and serious major false doctrine
and I have explained why your teaching is exactly that up-thread. You
repudiate and deny the very words of the Lord Jesus Himself --
while you falsely claim to follow the Lord Jesus
The very words of the Lord Jesus is bolded below.
Start quote.
1Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest 2and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
5“Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,”he replied. 6“Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
7The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone. 8Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus. 9For three days he was blind, and did not eat or drink anything.
10In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a vision, “Ananias!”
“Yes, Lord,” he answered.
11The Lord told him, “Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying.12In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight.”
13“Lord,” Ananias answered, “I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your holy people in Jerusalem. 14And he has come here with authority from the chief priests to arrest all who call on your name.”
15But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”
17Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”
18Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, 19and after taking some food, he regained his strength.
Acts chapter 9
___________________________________________________________
“Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim
my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the
people of Israel."__The Lord Jesus
________________________________________________________
Again , , ,
You falsely claim to follow the Lord Jesus. You do NOT follow the Lord Jesus.
You teach heresy and false doctrines. Your doctrines, if taken seriously, would
wreck and destroy the entire Christian Church.
It appears that you are locked-down on your heresy and your false doctrines
so I leave you to them.
"Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that,
have nothing to do with them."__God speaking through the Apostle Paul.
Titus 3:10
JAG
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My teachings? All I do is quote from Jesus what you sould be in the Father. If what Jesus said you sould be and will be if is heresy for you then I do understand, he was accused of heresy by the same as well.Your teaching wrecks and destroys the Bible and wrecks and destroys
the New Testament and by extension thereby wrecks and destroys
Christianity itself.
I leave you with a prayer:My teachings? All I do is quote from Jesus what you sould be in the Father. If what Jesus said you sould be and will be if is heresy for you then I do understand, he was accused of heresy by the same as well.
May the Lord Bless you always.
May the Lord always Keep you safe.
May the Lord always make His Face to shine upon you.
May the Lord always be Gracious unto you.
May the Lord always turn His Face towards you.
May the Lord always give you His Peace.
May the Lord always Protect you.
May the Lord always Protect all those you love.
{Based on Numbers 6:22-26}
And , ,
And may you be saved and delivered by God from your
heresy and from your false doctrines.
JAG
``
I do appriciate the prayer Im sure is was of your good intent. But I am not saved according to the laws you have established for it, I am saved by recieving from God Himself His salvation to be like Him that you claim His way is heresy to have.I leave you with a prayer:
May the Lord Bless you always.
May the Lord always Keep you safe.
May the Lord always make His Face to shine upon you.
May the Lord always be Gracious unto you.
May the Lord always turn His Face towards you.
May the Lord always give you His Peace.
May the Lord always Protect you.
May the Lord always Protect all those you love.
{Based on Numbers 6:22-26}
And , ,
And may you be saved and delivered by God from your
heresy and from your false doctrines.
JAG
``
Salvation is God manifest in you. Salvation is from sin which is anything that seperates you from being as He is as He deamnds of you.
For all that has deliverence was from sin -- by God Himself be in me. And being born of God it is impossible for me to be in sin.
You say your lord protects me, I say my Lord has given me His sound miund to walk as He walks in it that protects me from the religious minds who make their own rules for their gods that I should be like you instead of Him. .
If it is a difficulty for you to receive from God that what Jesus received from Him and said you should and others received from Him ... look at the reason why God is not able to show you what is wrong that you would count His way as heresy and why.
It isnt that God is at fault and not able to convey His will for you to be like Him and in His same image.
I wish you well.I do appriciate the prayer Im sure is was of your good intent.
Take care.
JAG
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Isnt it more like that you really wish that I would keep silent about what Jesus said that you are supposed ot be in the Father as he was in the Father? You are under conviction by it is all. It seems that you are insulted when Jesus clearly states to be in the Father as he was in Him.I wish you well.
Take care.
JAG
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Maybe I needed to ask the questions more directly.Eternal life started in Adam and carries on today and will carry on tomorrow. Eternity is not a time frame is is recieving that what is already here.
The SPirit of truth can come only one way and that is if one actually follow Jesus in the way, the truth, and the life, we recieve from God and live it ourselves. There is no oter way to know Gods truths least your identity is with Him by the same Spirit be in you who was in Chriust Jesus. Anything beyond who God said you would be IF -- is man made docreines.
Yes impossible to be in sin if one is born of God, anointed of God as Jesus was born of Him and anointed of God, Jesus refered to this new birth as born again. See 1 John 3:9.
Can an individual continue to commit sin and receive eternal life?
Can an individual continue to commit sin and receive the holy spirit?
You are teaching heresy and false doctrine.Isnt it more like that you really wish that I would keep silent about what Jesus said that you are supposed ot be in the Father as he was in the Father? You are under conviction by it is all. It seems that you are insulted when Jesus clearly states to be in the Father as he was in Him.
If you were inside any Bible believing local Christian Church you would be "shown the door"
and kicked out and told not to return -- excommunicated and rightly so. Your false teaching
wrecks and destroys the written Word Of God the Holy Bible and by extension wrecks and
destroys Christianity -- you have been warned several times but you paid no attention.
"Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that,
have nothing to do with them."__God speaking through the Apostle Paul.
Titus 3:10
However Thread World on the Internet At Large provides a platform and a microphone
for literally every weird, strange, bizarre, unorthodox, heretical nonsense known to mankind,
so no I do not wish you to "keep silent" -- you can hawk your false teaching to your heart's
content -- all those that really belong to God will NOT listen to your false teaching.
We need to keep heresy and false doctrines OUT OF LOCAL CHURCHES -- and so the best
place for heresy and false teaching is to keep in on the Worldwide Web where it can do
no serious harm to God's people.
JAG
``
Exactly. The truth is that Paul's statement clearly only refers to the OT. You go against truth in your ongoing claim that it also refers to the NT.That is true, but the principle of God-breathed scriptures are true for EVERYTHING that is
Holy Scripture and that includes the entire New Testament.
Yes Paul's statement would refer to the Old Testament, the New Testament had not even
been completed when Paul wrote 2 Timothy -- but the principle of "God-breathed" would
apply fully to all 13 of Paul's letters and that truth, in my book settles the matter and ends any
serious discussion on this subject.
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No, if one is of Christ, born of God, it is impossible to be in sin. 1 John 3:9.Maybe I needed to ask the questions more directly.
Can an individual continue to commit sin and receive eternal life?
Can an individual continue to commit sin and receive the holy spirit?
In Christ there is no sin it is outside of Christ that one is the sinner. It is one or the other but It is impossible to be in both.
If John 17 for God to be in you and you in Him as one as Jesus was one in Him is heresy, false teachings as you say when he is quoted to you for you there really isnt much God can do for you is there? You accuse Jesus of heresy is all.You are teaching heresy and false doctrine.
If you were inside any Bible believing local Christian Church you would be "shown the door"
and kicked out and told not to return -- excommunicated and rightly so. Your false teaching
wrecks and destroys the written Word Of God the Holy Bible and by extension wrecks and
destroys Christianity -- you have been warned several times but you paid no attention.
"Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that,
have nothing to do with them."__God speaking through the Apostle Paul.
Titus 3:10
However Thread World on the Internet At Large provides a platform and a microphone
for literally every weird, strange, bizarre, unorthodox, heretical nonsense known to mankind,
so no I do not wish you to "keep silent" -- you can hawk your false teaching to your heart's
content -- all those that really belong to God will NOT listen to your false teaching.
We need to keep heresy and false doctrines OUT OF LOCAL CHURCHES -- and so the best
place for heresy and false teaching is to keep in on the Worldwide Web where it can do
no serious harm to God's people.
JAG
``
I used ot be of these houses for enterprise you call church, was deacon and elder in some of them, taught the laws of their beliefs until God kicked me out of these houses for law and enterprise and hit the streets jsut as Jesus was kicked out of that house of law he once taught in, a temple and hit the streets the last three years of his ministry. IUntil then he was unsder the laws of that temple, or church as it is called today. You dont believe that he did do you?
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You need fuel in order to spread your heresy and your false doctrines and I don't thinkIf John 17 for God to be in you and you in Him as one as Jesus was one in Him is heresy, false teachings as you say when he is quoted to you for you there really isnt much God can do for you is there? You accuse Jesus of heresy is all.
I will provide fuel for you to use to do that. You and your associate will soon come to the
end of your exchanges and you will be looking for fuel in order to keep going. Without fuel
you will dry up and experience thread-starvation aka thread-de-fueling.
JAG
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False.Exactly. The truth is that Paul's statement clearly only refers to the OT. You go against truth in your ongoing claim that it also refers to the NT.
The principle of God-breathed scriptures are true for EVERYTHING that is Holy Scripture
and that includes the entire New Testament.
Paul's statement in 2 Timothy would refer to the Old Testament, the New Testament had
not even been completed when Paul wrote 2 Timothy -- but the principle of "God-breathed"
would apply fully to all 13 of Paul's letters and that truth, in my book settles the matter and
ends any serious discussion on this subject.
Your OP contains heresy and false doctrines and so does some of your follow-up posts.
Your teaching wrecks and destroys the Bible and wrecks and destroys
the New Testament and by extension thereby wrecks and destroys
Christianity itself.
Your teaching is serious major heresy and serious major false doctrine
and I have explained why your teaching is exactly that up-thread. Do you
repudiate and deny the very words of the Lord Jesus Himself in Acts
chapter 9 ? <<< note the question mark.
The very words of the Lord Jesus is bolded below.
Start quote.
1Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest 2and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
5“Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,”he replied. 6“Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
7The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone. 8Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus. 9For three days he was blind, and did not eat or drink anything.
10In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a vision, “Ananias!”
“Yes, Lord,” he answered.
11The Lord told him, “Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying.12In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight.”
13“Lord,” Ananias answered, “I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your holy people in Jerusalem. 14And he has come here with authority from the chief priests to arrest all who call on your name.”
15But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”___The Lord Jesus
17Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”
18Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, 19and after taking some food, he regained his strength.
Acts chapter 9
___________________________________________________________
“Go! This man {Paul} is my chosen instrument to proclaim
my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the
people of Israel."__The Lord Jesus
{Acts chapter 9}
Did the Lord Jesus speak the truth in Acts chapter 9, yes of no ?
JAG
``
Exactly.No, if one is of Christ, born of God, it is impossible to be in sin. 1 John 3:9.
In Christ there is no sin it is outside of Christ that one is the sinner. It is one or the other but It is impossible to be in both.
In the following Jesus speaks to the first question: Can an individual continue to commit sin and receive eternal life?
John 8
34Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. 35“The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever.
31So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you abide in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
51“Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.”
In the following Jesus speaks to the second question: Can an individual continue to commit sin and receive the holy spirit?
John 14
15“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16“[And] I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17that is the Spirit of truth....
21“He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”
23Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. 24“He who does not love Me does not keep My words...
Unfortunately there are many who neither hear nor understand nor believe what He is saying.
John 8
43“Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45“But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me.
during the ministry of Jesus on earth He taught the Jews. Jesus was Jewish. they were all still under the law. What changed? When did it change? Why did it changed?The gospel preached by Jesus are the words He spoke during His ministry. His ministry began with His quoting from the Book of Isaiah in Luke 4 and ended with His death on the cross.
Luke 4
16And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read. 17And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written,
18THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME,
BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR.
HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES,
AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND,
TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED,
19TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD.
20And He closed the book, gave it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21And He began to say to them, Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.
Jesus clearly stated His purpose. The purpose for which He was anointed. The purpose for which He is the Christ (Christ means "anointed one" for those who are unaware):
1) To preach His gospel - These are the words He spoke while preaching His gospel during His ministry.
2) To give sight to the blind - To open the eyes of those blind to the will of God which is contained in His gospel.
3) To set free the captives - To FREE those who abide in His word from the slavery of committing sin. To FREE those who abide in His gospel (See John 8).
During His ministry, Jesus did exactly what He said He was going to do. The above outlines the core of the gospel preached by Jesus.
There is no "total depravity of man" in the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.
There is no "vicarious atonement for the forgiveness of sins" in the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.
There is no "if you believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Christ you will receive eternal life and live in the Kingdom" in the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.
There is no "imputed righteousness" in the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.
Christianity has a different gospel based on the theology of Paul and others as its foundation.
Shouldn't Christianity have the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry as its foundation?
I agree, the same fuel that inspired Jesus was heresy for those who wasnt fueld from the same source. just as with you And yes you do provide fuel for heresy Just as those of the day did Jesus, they couldent be powered by the same fuel WHo fueld him. For all I do is repeat that what he said you shoud be and would be if you were fueled by his same source,.You need fuel in order to spread your heresy and your false doctrines and I don't think
I will provide fuel for you to use to do that. You and your associate will soon come to the
end of your exchanges and you will be looking for fuel in order to keep going. Without fuel
you will dry up and experience thread-starvation aka thread-de-fueling.
JAG
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You only try and make your own fuel is all.
As for the one who fueld Jesus and have him life that sourse never dries up for us who has tapped into that well. But I can see the only thing that comes from your sourse is hate for those who are of the same source Jesus was of.
May I ask why His way for us to be like Him spawns such hate in you that you would make such childish remarks? WHy do you wish we who are of God bad tidings? What drives your mind that you think the same of we who actually did follow Jesus to the Father to recieve from Him ourselves and have the same mentality yourself as those of the day tought of Jesus for having the same from the Father that they would crucify him as you would do if you couldd with us today?
The fuel that drove Jesus is the same fuel that drives all who has Him, and that fuel simply is Love, someting you are not considering of Him for at is says, God is Love you just cant comprehend who He is is all.
A Christian is Christ like and walk as He walks in it. Im always amazed at these. They can plainly read why God sent Jesus to show us the way and he was very clear the way to the Father for ourselves, and have from Him that what Jesus had from Him ourselves, and these turn right around and reject his very intent even call it blaspheme to be like Him, then call themsleves Christian.Exactly.
In the following Jesus speaks to the first question: Can an individual continue to commit sin and receive eternal life?
John 8
34Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. 35“The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever.
31So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you abide in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
51“Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.”
In the following Jesus speaks to the second question: Can an individual continue to commit sin and receive the holy spirit?
John 14
15“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16“[And] I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17that is the Spirit of truth....
21“He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”
23Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. 24“He who does not love Me does not keep My words...
Unfortunately there are many who neither hear nor understand nor believe what He is saying.
John 8
43“Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45“But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me.