The heresy known as Eternal Justification

SovereignGrace

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"Some of the older theologians, when expounding this doctrine, contended for the eternal justification of the elect, affirming that God pronounced them righteous before the foundation of the world, and that their justification was then actual and complete, remaining so throughout their history in time, even during the days of their unregeneracy and unbelief; and that the only difference their faith made was in making manifest God's eternal justification in their consciences." Arthur Pink

This heresy has crept into our churches and it needs eradicated. It teaches that from eternity past, the elect, even in their fallen unregenerate state, were justified. This is heresy. To be justified means the one stands before God in the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ. There is not one unregenerate who fits this bill. In fact, they are considered His enemies prior to conversion. Reconciliation is where two enemies have made peace. That is why the message of reconciliation through the gospel of Christ is necessary. If one is justified, that one is also reconciled. So then the gospel does not justify them, as they are already justified from eternity past. So, the gospel is useless in the saving of the elect, as they are, in essence, already saved, having been justified from eternity. Let us examine a passage we all know very well...


And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.[Romans 8:28-30]


Notice that justification is way down on the ordo salutis found in the above. There is foreknowledge, then predestination, then calling, and then after calling, we find justification. It happens after being called. This is also in agreement with 1 Cor. 1:21, Romans 1:16, Romans 10:8-17, with emphasis on vss 14-17, and Ephesians 1:13-14. John 3:36 and Ephesians 2:3 tells us that those outside of Christ are under God’s wrath. So it’s safe to say this position is not biblical in the least, but flat out heresy.
 

SovereignGrace

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  • “God did, from all eternity, decree to justify all the elect, and Christ did, in the fullness of time, die for their sins, and rise again for their justification: nevertheless, they are not justified, until the Holy Spirit doth, in due time, actually apply Christ unto them." - John Calvin
  • "The decree of justification is one thing; justification itself another — as the will to save and sanctify is one thing; salvation and sanctification itself another. The will or decree to justify certain persons is indeed eternal and precedes faith itself, but actual justification takes place in time and follows faith." Francis Turretin Institutes of Elenctic Theology, 2:683.
 

brightfame52

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quote says:
If one is justified, that one is also reconciled.

Exactly correct, and the elect were reconciled to God by Christs death while still being enemies Rom 5:10


10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

So that shows pink lacked understanding in this matter.
 

SovereignGrace

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quote says:


Exactly correct, and the elect were reconciled to God by Christs death while still being enemies Rom 5:10


10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

So that shows pink lacked understanding in this matter.
Do you understand the post points ? Lets discuss them !

;)
 

SovereignGrace

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quote says:


Exactly correct, and the elect were reconciled to God by Christs death while still being enemies Rom 5:10


10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

So that shows pink lacked understanding in this matter.
Pink, Calvin, Turretin were spot on. You? Not so much.
 

Simpletruther

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"Some of the older theologians, when expounding this doctrine, contended for the eternal justification of the elect, affirming that God pronounced them righteous before the foundation of the world, and that their justification was then actual and complete, remaining so throughout their history in time, even during the days of their unregeneracy and unbelief; and that the only difference their faith made was in making manifest God's eternal justification in their consciences." Arthur Pink

This heresy has crept into our churches and it needs eradicated. It teaches that from eternity past, the elect, even in their fallen unregenerate state, were justified. This is heresy. To be justified means the one stands before God in the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ. There is not one unregenerate who fits this bill. In fact, they are considered His enemies prior to conversion. Reconciliation is where two enemies have made peace. That is why the message of reconciliation through the gospel of Christ is necessary. If one is justified, that one is also reconciled. So then the gospel does not justify them, as they are already justified from eternity past. So, the gospel is useless in the saving of the elect, as they are, in essence, already saved, having been justified from eternity. Let us examine a passage we all know very well...


And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.[Romans 8:28-30]


Notice that justification is way down on the ordo salutis found in the above. There is foreknowledge, then predestination, then calling, and then after calling, we find justification. It happens after being called. This is also in agreement with 1 Cor. 1:21, Romans 1:16, Romans 10:8-17, with emphasis on vss 14-17, and Ephesians 1:13-14. John 3:36 and Ephesians 2:3 tells us that those outside of Christ are under God’s wrath. So it’s safe to say this position is not biblical in the least, but flat out heresy.
While I agree it’s error, I personally see the bigger error that can accompany this error is the idea that one isn’t really a believer without accepting this idea. They effectively divide themselves from most of the church.
 

SovereignGrace

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While I agree it’s error, I personally see the bigger error that can accompany this error is the idea that one isn’t really a believer without accepting this idea. They effectively divide themselves from most of the church.
There is one guy on here who on another forum openly called me a Christ denier, not over this, but another topic.
 

Simpletruther

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quote says:


Exactly correct, and the elect were reconciled to God by Christs death while still being enemies Rom 5:10


10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

So that shows pink lacked understanding in this matter.
Yo are making too much out of this.

While he was in prison he was released.

It has the same structure but obviously he wasn’t a prisoner once he was released.

The same with being an enemy.
 

zerinus

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"Some of the older theologians, when expounding this doctrine, contended for the eternal justification of the elect, affirming that God pronounced them righteous before the foundation of the world, and that their justification was then actual and complete, remaining so throughout their history in time, even during the days of their unregeneracy and unbelief; and that the only difference their faith made was in making manifest God's eternal justification in their consciences." Arthur Pink

This heresy has crept into our churches and it needs eradicated. It teaches that from eternity past, the elect, even in their fallen unregenerate state, were justified. This is heresy. To be justified means the one stands before God in the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ. There is not one unregenerate who fits this bill. In fact, they are considered His enemies prior to conversion. Reconciliation is where two enemies have made peace. That is why the message of reconciliation through the gospel of Christ is necessary. If one is justified, that one is also reconciled. So then the gospel does not justify them, as they are already justified from eternity past. So, the gospel is useless in the saving of the elect, as they are, in essence, already saved, having been justified from eternity. Let us examine a passage we all know very well...
That is simply the natural and logical end to Calvinism. That is what Calvinism inevitably leads to. If their justification has been eternally predestined and predetermined by an immutable divine decree, and there is nothing that can change that, and the will of the creature has no say in the matter, then to all practical purposes it has already happened. The problem is with Calvinism itself, not with any individual heretical doctrines arising from it.
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.[Romans 8:28-30]
Looked at from a Calvinistic point of view, that passage could be interpreted so as to fit that particular paradigm. Paul uses the past tense to describe all those events, so you could argue that, in the foreknowledge of God certainly, they have already happened.
Notice that justification is way down on the ordo salutis found in the above. There is foreknowledge, then predestination, then calling, and then after calling, we find justification. It happens after being called. This is also in agreement with 1 Cor. 1:21, Romans 1:16, Romans 10:8-17, with emphasis on vss 14-17, and Ephesians 1:13-14. John 3:36 and Ephesians 2:3 tells us that those outside of Christ are under God’s wrath. So it’s safe to say this position is not biblical in the least, but flat out heresy.
But he describes them as happening in the past, and in rapid succession, so the advocate of that particular theology would have no difficulty reconciling it with that. Calvinism itself has a much bigger problem than that.
 

Simpletruther

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There is one guy on here who on another forum openly called me a Christ denier, not over this, but another topic.
I feel sorry for some who almost seem to have a mental disorder where they think they alone have some special gift of salvation that allows them to find the secret meaning if scripture. It’s how radical cults have arisen many times.
 

brightfame52

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Do you understand the post points ? Lets discuss them !

;)
Yes I do, and I have discussed them. According to Rom 5:10 when were the believers reconciled to God ? What condition were they in ? Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Then answer me, how were they reconciled according to that scripture.
 

brightfame52

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Yo are making too much out of this.

While he was in prison he was released.

It has the same structure but obviously he wasn’t a prisoner once he was released.

The same with being an enemy.
Thats hogwash. According to Rom 5:10 when were the believers reconciled to God ? What was their condition ?
 

brightfame52

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  • “God did, from all eternity, decree to justify all the elect, and Christ did, in the fullness of time, die for their sins, and rise again for their justification: nevertheless, they are not justified, until the Holy Spirit doth, in due time, actually apply Christ unto them." - John Calvin
  • "The decree of justification is one thing; justification itself another — as the will to save and sanctify is one thing; salvation and sanctification itself another. The will or decree to justify certain persons is indeed eternal and precedes faith itself, but actual justification takes place in time and follows faith." Francis Turretin Institutes of Elenctic Theology, 2:683.
Thats error, When Christ rose from the dead according to Rom 4:25 it was because those He died for had been justified, the resurrection is proof that Christs death for them, justified them. Look Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification. " The Apostle Paul "
 
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TomFL

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Thats error, When Christ rose from the dead according to Rom 4:25 it was because those He died for had been justified, the resurrection is proof that Christs death for them, justified them. Look Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification. " The Apostle Paul "
Your position is a heresy

Justification is by faith

Romans 4:1-16 (KJV)
1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
 

zerinus

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Your position is a heresy

Justification is by faith

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According to Paul, not according to James:

James 2:

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
 

brightfame52

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Your position is a heresy

Justification is by faith

Romans 4:1-16 (KJV)
1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Lol, sure it is. Rom 4:25
 
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TomFL

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sure it is. Rom 4:25 The resurrections of Christ is evidence of Justification of them for whom offences He was delivered, the elect !
Nope

justification is by faith

That means without faith there is no justification

You are teaching heresy
 
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