The heresy known as Eternal Justification

brightfame52

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Nor is it testimony of scripture that one can be an enemy and reconciled at the same time
When were they reconciled to God according to Rom 5:10 ? What condition were they being in :

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
 

brightfame52

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Nor does it contradict my claim. While you have been shown we are not reconciled while emenies up until we trust God.
Yes its a contradiction, according to Rom 5:10 when were they reconciled [past tense], what was their condition present tense ? 10 For if, when we were enemies[present tense], we were reconciled[past tense] to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
 

Simpletruther

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When were they reconciled to God according to Rom 5:10 ? What condition were they being in :

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Here is your mistake. You're reading "were reconciled" as an ongoing state. But it is meant to describe an event that took place while they were enemies.

Reconciled is acting as an adverb not an adjective describing them. It something that happened to them while enemies.

"While you were resting you were happy"

Here happy is an adjective describing an ongoing state.

"While you were resting you were punched"

Here punched is an event. And you were no longer resting after the punch.
 
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TomFL

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When were they reconciled to God according to Rom 5:10 ? What condition were they being in :

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
That is when the act which provided for reconciliation transpired

not when the benefit of that act reconciliation was applied to them
 

brightfame52

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Here is your mistake. You're reading "were reconciled" as an ongoing state. But it is meant to describe an event that took place while they were enemies.

Reconciled is acting as an adverb not an adjective describing them. It something that happened to them while enemies.

"While you were resting you were happy"

Here happy is an adjective describing an ongoing state.

"While you were resting you were punched"

Here punched is an event. And you were no longer resting after the punch.
It's no mistake. They were [past tense] reconciled while being [present tense] enemies, How by the death of Christ! You are in denial of the truth!
 
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TomFL

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It's no mistake. They were [past tense] reconciled while being [present tense] enemies, How by the death of Christ! You are in denial of the truth!
Its a mistake

2 Corinthians 5:20 (NIV2011)
20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.
 

Simpletruther

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It's no mistake. They were [past tense] reconciled while being [present tense] enemies, How by the death of Christ! You are in denial of the truth!
Just as someone was (past tense) punched while resting.

But obviously they were no longer resting after being punched.

You are denying common usage.
 
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TomFL

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Just as someone was (past tense) punched while resting.

But obviously they were no longer resting after being punched.

You are denying common usage.
Yes Common use does allow for those who are now justified having believed to be stated as having been reconciled by the past act of the cross

Apparently Brightfame is not familiar with common use
 
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