Its easy to see who the real scholars are--They use a real translation with Gods name put back in the over 7000 spots he wants it to be there. That is why God put it there. The unrighteous( wicked),by satans will had Gods name removed because they feared using his name in vain. The righteous do not fear using his name in vain. All show God where they stand by the translation they use.
The Israelite religion and the apostles
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Our Lord's God
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Oh is that so? And you are going to set the criteria right?
YHWH never ever appeared in the New Testament books. And nobody is hiding His name either. The Watchtower is lying to you again.
The NAME God wants you to know isn't a set of letters from the English alphabet or any other alphabet either. But you are too bent on hearing Watchtower ignorance to bother listening.
You argument is just plain ignorant. God doesn't care about your English translation. He wasn't raising up Gnostics who need to know the mysteries of names and codes and formulas. God is concerned with hearts and character and those who become like Him by personally knowing Him, His begotten children. If the Watchtower knew anything at all about God, they wouldn't be teaching the lies that they do. But they not only do not know God, they don't know anything of value about God either.
Jerome who had originals told the Catholic leader back in the 300,s prior to his translating the Latin Vulgate that Gods name does belong in the NT. Because it does-Every spot( over 200) the OT is quoted and the name is in the OT. Its your faulty reasoning that won't believe fact over error.
Our Lord's God
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And a whole mass of men disagreed with Jerome because there is no evidence anywhere of any kind that the tetragrammaton was used in any NT document.
Yes, we know, you don't care about the facts.
But some people are actually honest.
The darkness disagreed with Jerome. Jerome had the originals.
The divine name KJV(2015) put Gods name in the NT in those quoted spots.
Theo1689
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If the Trinity wasn't "invented" until Constantinople (381), then why did Christians teach that Christ was God all the way to the first century?
“The scepter of the majesty of God, even our Lord Jesus Christ, came not in the pomp of arrogance or of pride” (Clement of Rome, 1Clem 16:2)
“Brethren, we ought so to think of Jesus Christ, as of God, as of the Judge of quick and dead.” (Clement of Rome, 2Clem. 1:1)
“... predestined, before time was, to be—to her abiding and unchanging glory—forever united and chosen, through real suffering, by the will of the Father and Jesus Christ our God.” (Ignatius, Eph. 1:0)
“Why do we not all become wise, having received knowledge of God, that is, Jesus Christ!“ (Ignatius, Eph. 17:2)
“The fact is, our God Jesus Christ was conceived by Mary according to God’s dispensation of the seed of David, it is true,..." (Ignatius, Eph. 18:2)
“God was making His appearance in human form to mold the newness of eternal life:” (Ignatius, Eph. 19:3)
Tral. 7:1 And you will do so if you are not puffed up and cling inseparably to God Jesus Christ, to the bishop, and to the precepts of the Apostles. (Ignatius, Tral. 7:1)
“Ignatius, also called Theophorus, to the Church that has found mercy in the transcendent Majesty of the Most High Father and of Jesus Christ, His only Son; the church by the will of Him who willed all things that exist, beloved and illuminated through the faith and love of Jesus Christ our God; […] Heartiest good wishes for unimpaired joy in Jesus Christ our God, to those who are united in flesh and spirit by every commandment of His;” (Ignatius, Rom. 1:0)
“Nothing that is seen is good. Our God Jesus Christ certainly is the more clearly seen now that He is in the Father." (Ignatius, Rom. 3:3)
“I extol Jesus Christ, the God who has granted you such wisdom. For I have observed that you are thoroughly trained in unshaken faith, being nailed, as it were, to the Cross of the Lord Jesus Christ both in body and in soul,…" (Ignatius, Smyr. 1:1)
"it was good of you to give them a warm reception as to servants of Christ God“ (Ignatius, Smyr. 10:1)
“I say good-bye to you all forever in Jesus Christ our God, through whom I wish you to be united with God and under His watchful eye. "(Ignatius, Poly. 8:3)
“and may He grant unto you a lot and portion among His saints, and to us with you, and to all that are under heaven, who shall believe on our Lord and God Jesus Christ and on His Father that raised him from the dead. (Polycarp, Phil. 12:2)
“but now you will permit me first to recount the prophecies, which I wish to do in order to prove that Christ is called both God and Lord of hosts, and Jacob, in parable by the Holy Spirit; ” (Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 36)
“For if you had understood what has been written by the prophets, you would not have denied that He was God, Son of the only, unbegotten, unutterable God.” (Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 126)
“And that Christ being Lord, and God the Son of God, and appearing formerly in power as Man, and Angel, and in the glory of fire as at the bush, so also was manifested at the judgment executed on Sodom,” (Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 128)
“For they who affirm that the Son is the Father, are proved neither to have become acquainted with the Father, nor to know that the Father of the universe has a Son; who also, being the first-begotten Word of God, is even God." (Justin Martyr, First Apology, 63)
“He that hung up the earth in space was Himself hanged up; He that fixed the heavens was fixed with nails; He that bore up the earth was borne up on a tree; the Lord of all was subjected to ignominy in a naked body—God put to death! the King of Israel slain with Israel’s right hand! Alas for the new wickedness of the new murder! The Lord was exposed with naked body: He was not deemed worthy even of covering; and, in order that He might not be seen, the luminaries turned away, and the day became darkened because they slew God, who hung naked on the tree.” (Melito of Sardis, Part V)
“ the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and His [future] manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father ‘to gather all things in one,’ and to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father,” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1.10.1)
“This Word, then, the Christ, the cause of both our being at first (for He was in God) and of our well-being, this very Word has now appeared as man, He alone being both, both God and man—[...] for the Word, who “was with God,” and by whom all things were created, has appeared as our Teacher. The Word, who in the beginning bestowed on us life as Creator when He formed us, taught us to live well when He appeared as our Teacher; that as God He might afterwards conduct us to the life which never ends.” (Clement of Alexandria, Exhortation to the Heathen, 1)
“For God alone is without sin; and the only man without sin is Christ, since Christ is also God.” (Tertullian, Treatise on the Soul, Part 1, 41)
“The Logos alone of this God is from God himself; wherefore also the Logos is God, being the substance of God.” (Hippolytus, Refutation of All Heresies, 10.29)
That is describing you.
Theo1689
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What "originals" do you think Jerome allegedly had?
You don't seem to know what you're talking about.
Please cite ONE NT manuscript that has the Tetragrammaton in it.
I won't hold my breath.
Even the divine name kjv put Gods name in the NT where the OT is quoted and the name belongs. Like at Acts 2:21-Romans 10:13--Those who call on the name of YHWH(Jehovah) will be saved. Both spots quoting Joel 2:21-22--But since by satans will Gods name was removed where God willed it because God wants it there, the altered translations has LORD at Joel, thus Lord at both NT spots,. misleading all into thinking the name Jesus is being spoken of. All using the altered translations are being mislead.
Theo1689
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Please cite ONE NT manuscript that contains the Divine name.
You CANNOT do it.
Your position is bankrupt.
Have a good day, "sir".
You will find out the opposite. Best to be like the Bereans and make sure of all things. You do not want to find out when its to late. Its trinity translations that are bankrupt. Do you have the ability to reason? God willed his name in his bible. Because God wants his name in his bible, by satans will, wicked men removed it. So why do trinity translators keep it out. That is the question that needs to be asked. Because with that name back in like the 2 NT spots i shared with you-All can see they are misleading all listening to them. Acts 2:16-proves verse 21 is that quote from Joel, thus its 100% fact its not the name Jesus to be called upon to be saved, yet every trinity religion says the opposite. RUN FROM THEM.
Theo1689
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I'm not interested in your bankrupt and demonic threats.
Prove it.
I've transated from the Greek.
I've studied the manuscripts.
That's why I know your position is BANKRUPT.
Again, please cite ONE NT manuscript which includes the divine name.
You truly have no clue what you're talking about.
All you're doing is destroying your credibility.
They even keep it out of the OT, Nearly 6800 spots. I dont care about trinity based manuscripts. I care about Gods will. Catholicism never had Jesus, they were this-2Thess 2:3 and all her branches.
They even condemned the nwt translators for putting Gods name back= pure darkness. It clearly shows who stands up for Gods will.
Theo1689
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Wow.
You truly have no clue what you're talking about.
What's the difference between alleged "trinity based manuscripts", and alleged "non-trinity based manuscripts"?
Can you give me a list of NT manuscripts separated into those two (arbitrary and self-serving) groups?
<Chuckle>
And how do you know what "God's will" is, without the word of God, which has been preserved through the MANUSCRIPTS?
You truly have no clue what you're talking about.
Actually here in these last days. The promise Jesus made about giving holy spirit to the teachers he is with and guiding them into ALL truth. 1 religion has it. Trinity religions are a mass of confusion with hundreds of different truths because of a lack of holy spirit. They are so confused they are a house divided, they will not stand. They cant even understand this simple bible milk a 10 year old can understand-1 Cor 1:10-Unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth) no division. Yet billions have been mislead by satan and his teachers transforming into angels of light( 2 Cor 11:12-15)
Theo1689
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And that supports the Trinity 100%
A bankrupt accusation with ZERO evidence.
Another worthless and bankrupt claim.
And as you yourself argue, nothing but your own worthless "opinion".
Another worthless accusation.
Yet you are 100% divisive.
Pot.
Kettle.
Black.
Nothing but worthless rhetoric.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
But since you are influenced by demons, you will never admit being ashamed.
You must hate Gods truth. Why? fear of being wrong-I suggest you be like the Bereans and make sure of all things. The Israelites from Moses on up until this very day, while serving the true God, taught serve, and worship the Abrahamic God=a single being God-YHWH(Jehovah)-They don't do his will thought-Matt 23:38-39)--
In Isaiah 45:5 it clearly states--I am YHWH(Jehovah) beside me( not we) there is no other God.
Theo1689
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Personal attack duly noted.
I don't hate God's truth at all.
I love God's truth.
That's why I'm a Biblical Trinitarian.
Why do you feel the need to bear false witness against me (which is a sin, in case you weren't aware)?
Not at all.
I do.
But thank you for the personal attack.
So do Trinitarians.
So please stop harassing me.
And please stop bearing false witness against me.
It is a sin.
Amen!
Yhwh( Jehovah) is a single being God, not a trinity god--Satan is posing as the trinity god. Created at the council of Constantinople in 381 ce by these-2 Thess 2:3. To mislead to destruction.
Theo1689
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You continue to be mistaken.
Worthless ad hominem by you.
Satan is posing as the Unitarian god.
Nope.
Wrong again.
The Triune God is uncreated, and has existed since eternity past.
Now please stop harassing me, since you obviously have nothing of substance to offer, and only childish name-calling and gainsaying.
Its undeniable fact--From Moses on up until this very day, the Israelite religion, teach, serve and worship the Abrahamic God-YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God, taught to Jesus and every bible writer when they attended those places of worship. And i showed you they teach only the Father is God--YOUR TRANSLATIONS ARE FILLED WITH ERRORS THAT CONTRADICT THEM.