The LDS Religion and Christianity

Yodas_Prodigy

Active member
For the LDS Lurkers, the Mormon Religion has very little to do with historic Christianity. You would think that a “Christian Denomination” would have a lot in common with other denominations. The LDS Religion is diametrically opposed to the Christian faith on every essential doctrine.

Christianity believes the Bible to be the infallible word of God

LDS believe the Bible is errant and in need of additional writings.

Christianity believes in one all powerful God revealed in three persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, who is eternal, all powerful, all knowing, ever present, and sovereign

LDS believe in a created god who is limited

Christianity believes that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone

LDS believe that salvation is by faith plus works

Christianity believes that man is a created being and will always be man

LDS believe that man is procreated by a god and has the possibility of being a god

Christianity believes that we are each a Temple of the Holy Spirit

LDS believe that physical Temples are necessary

There are many more disagreements. These differences are enough to send a LDS adherent to a Christ-less eternity that Christians call Hell. This separation is no party. It is forever suffering.

Please investigate this for yourself. In the New Testament of the Bible, read the following books:

Luke, Romans, Ephesians, and Philippians.

In the Old Testament, read Genesis and Exodus…

Of course, there is more to read. These books are a good jump start.
 

The Prophet

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Erundur

Active member
For the LDS Lurkers, the Mormon Religion has very little to do with historic Christianity.
Bad news for "historic" "Christianity".

You would think that a “Christian Denomination” would have a lot in common with other denominations.
You would if it was just another Protestant denomination. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not.
 

Yodas_Prodigy

Active member
Bad news for "historic" "Christianity".


You would if it was just another Protestant denomination. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not.
Really it is bad news for Johnny Come Late LDS... Besides Protestantism, you have forgotten both the RCC and the Eastern Orthodox. They are more in agreement than disagreement... LDS are so ignorant of Christian Church History... They should be embarrassed.
 

brotherofJared

Well-known member
For the LDS Lurkers, the Mormon Religion has very little to do with historic Christianity.
Hopefully not. Historic Christianity is a sham. We have the Catholics going around killing anyone who disagreed with them and then Protestants who weren't much better but said they were fixing a problem.
You would think that a “Christian Denomination” would have a lot in common with other denominations.
Not if the other "Christian Denominations" were wrong. It appears that you believe that if the majority votes for something that it must always be right. That's not the way truth works. Only one truth can be true. Anything that deviates from the truth is false.
Christianity believes the Bible to be the infallible word of God
We already know that isn't true. It is the word of God, but the Bible is not infallible. It is the product of men and is, therefore, very fallible.
Christianity believes that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone
So, which is it? You named three things and then you said they were alone. So is it grace alone or is it faith alone or is it Christ alone? Make up your mind.
Christianity believes that man is a created being and will always be man
Is Jesus a created man? and is he still a man? Will he always be a man or has he reverted to some ethereal nothingness? If that is true, then the resurrection must be a farce, right?
 

Bonnie

Super Member
Bad news for "historic" "Christianity".

No, good news for historic Christianity! Thank GOD ALMIGHTY that true Christianity is NOT like the LDS church! But very bad news for Mormonism.
You would if it was just another Protestant denomination. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not.
You are correct--the LDS church is NOT another "Protestant denomination." It is a heretical cult!
 

dberrie2020

Well-known member
For the LDS Lurkers, the Mormon Religion has very little to do with historic Christianity.

Perhaps you would like to list what you find in the Biblical NT--which isn't found in the LDS church?

Hebrews 10:36---King James Version
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

You would think that a “Christian Denomination” would have a lot in common with other denominations.

Could you give us some examples of what other denominations the NT had a "lot in common with"?

The LDS Religion is diametrically opposed to the Christian faith on every essential doctrine.

Such as this one?

Acts 2:38---King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

So--when you state "Christian faith"--are you referring to what was espoused after the 15th century--or--are you referring to the NT Christianity?

Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
 

dberrie2020

Well-known member
LDS believe the Bible is errant and in need of additional writings.

That seems like the same accusation the traditional Jews made against the apostles--and the NT addition to the Hebrew Bible.

Christianity believes in one all powerful God revealed in three persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, who is eternal, all powerful, all knowing, ever present, and sovereign

LDS believe in a created god who is limited

Cite, please. The LDS believe no such thing.

Christianity believes that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone

The LDS believe two of those three--the third being addressed here:

James 2:24---New American Standard Bible
24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
 

dberrie2020

Well-known member
LDS believe that salvation is by faith plus works

The LDS believe His grace flows through a faith with works--as they don't believe one can be saved through a dead faith:

James 2:18-26---King James Version
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Christianity believes that man is a created being and will always be man

How does that differ from the Biblical testimony?

1 Timothy 2:5---King James Version
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

LDS believe that man is procreated by a god and has the possibility of being a god

The LDS believe that man is procreated by man--and spirit is Fathered by God the Father:

Hebrews 12:9---King James Version
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Christianity believes that we are each a Temple of the Holy Spirit

LDS also.
 

dberrie2020

Well-known member
LDS believe that physical Temples are necessary

So does the Biblical text:

Revelation 11:1-2---King James Version
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Revelation 7:13-15---King James Version
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them

There are many more disagreements. These differences are enough to send a LDS adherent to a Christ-less eternity that Christians call Hell. This separation is no party. It is forever suffering.

Cite, please. The LDS have no such belief.

Please investigate this for yourself. In the New Testament of the Bible, read the following books:

Luke, Romans, Ephesians, and Philippians.

Be sure to examine these scriptures found in those books:

Romans 2:5-11---King James Version
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Philippians 2:12---King James Version
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Luke 18:18-20--King James Version
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

Ephesians 5:5-6---King James Version

5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
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dberrie2020

Well-known member
No, good news for historic Christianity! Thank GOD ALMIGHTY that true Christianity is NOT like the LDS church!

"true Christianity" preaching there isn't any acts of obedience to Jesus Christ which is necessary for His grace unto life? Yeah, right:

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9---King James Version
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
 

Yodas_Prodigy

Active member
Study to show yourself approved... Read the whole Bible, not just isolated passages.

16 Rules of Biblical Interpretation

We would never consider someone qualified to practice as a medical physician after reading just one paper containing a dozen or so rules on being a good doctor. Though knowing these rules would be helpful, I’m sure we would agree that there’s far more that is needed. Certainly, before a Medical Board would certify a person as competent to practice medicine they would need to know far more than a few rules for good health. In the same way, there’s so much more that could and should be said about how to study the Bible. Yet, with this qualifier, here are some simple rules of interpretation (hermeneutics) which should at least get us started. May God use these brief words to encourage you as you search out the truths of God’s word, for His glory:

1. Consider the Author – who wrote the book? - what was his background, language, culture, vocation, concerns, education, circumstance, what stage of life?

2. Consider the Audience (why was the book written? who was the audience? what would these words have meant to its original recipients?)

3. The Meaning of Words (this has become a lot easier in our day with all the information and technology at our disposal. The computer program Bibleworks 8 is especially recommended).

4. Historical Setting (avoid anachronism – trying to understand the past while viewing it wearing 21st century glasses – will not help toward understanding the original meaning of the author).

5. Grammar – (how things are being expressed – imperative is a command, a subjunctive would be “would you like to do this?” – two quite different meanings result)

6. Textual Issues – (are there any questions about the earliest or most authoritative manuscripts in comparison with others of a later date – and how does this influence our understanding of what was originally written?)

7. Syntax – this refers to words and their relationship with one another. For example, Romans 5:1 says “Having been justified (a past tense action) by faith, we have peace with God.” It would be incorrect to think that we have to gain peace with God before justification takes place. The syntax is clear that it is a result of first being justified that peace ensues. Correct syntax is a vital component of sound interpretation.

8. Form of Literature (we should interpret the Bible literally, but that doesn’t mean we don’t recognize that parables are parables, and that to interpret them correctly, we interpret them as literal parables! Historical narrative is historical narrative, nouns are nouns, verbs are verbs, analogies are analogies)

9. Immediate Context (a text out of context becomes a pretext. It can be made to say something not intended by the author). Always check the immediate context of a verse or passage to determine the correct interpretation.

10. Document Context (For instance, in Romans, there is a certain argument Paul is pursuing, and when we recognize this, it helps us to determine what is meant in isolated verses when we know the purpose for what is being written. Always keep the author’s broad purpose in mind when looking in detail at the meaning of texts). This, like the others, is a very helpful rule.

11. Author’s Context (this refers to looking at all of a person’s writings – John’s writings, Paul’s writings, Luke’s writings, etc.).

12. Biblical Context (the broadest context possible, the entire Bible; allowing us to ask if our interpretation is consistent with the whole of Scripture. Scripture is never contradictory to itself).

13. Understand the difference between prescriptive and descriptive statements in the Bible. Is the verse telling us to do something, or does it describe an action someone does?

Matthew 24:13 “But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.”

Question: Is this verse prescriptive or descriptive?

If prescriptive, (if it is telling us something to do) then no one can be sure of their salvation, for the simple reason that no one presently reading or hearing the statement has, as yet, endured until the very end. If prescriptive, it would negate the wonderful assurance of salvation that the Holy Spirit wishes us to know (1 John 5:13).

Certainly, this is a descriptive statement – as it describes the actions of a truly saved person – such a one will endure, for the nature of the kind of faith God gives to His people is one that endures to the end. A saved person is one who endures to the end – a principle made clear in other passages such as 1 John 2:19 – “They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.”

14. Build all doctrine on necessary rather than possible inferences.
A necessary inference is something that is definitely taught by the text. The conclusion is unavoidable. It is necessary. A possible inference is something that could or might be true, but not something actually stated by the text.

15. Interpret the unclear passages in Scripture in light of the clear. Though all Scripture is God breathed, every passage is not equally clear (easy to understand). Even the Apostle Peter struggled with Paul’s writings at times, as he found some of it “hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.” (2 Peter 3:16)

When determining what the Bible teaches on a particular topic, find the passages which CLEARLY address the issue at hand and make this the starting point of your doctrine, rather than an obscure (or less than clear) passage. Once that which is clear is firmly grasped and understood, then proceed to study the passages which at first seem to be unclear, using the above rules.

16. Think for yourself but not by yourself. We are not at all wise when we isolate ourselves. God has gifted others with tremendous insights, not only in our own day, but throughout the history of the Church. These teachers are Christ’s gifts to His people (Ephesians 4:8-12). Use their help.

Finally, there will be LDS apologists who are going to attempt to poke holes in this post. Trust God and prayerfully review the above.
 

dberrie2020

Well-known member
Finally, there will be LDS apologists who are going to attempt to poke holes in this post. Trust God and prayerfully review the above.

Let's trust God in His word--not in a critic's opinion:

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9---King James Version
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power

Romans 2:5-11---King James Version
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Philippians 2:12---King James Version
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Luke 18:18-20--King James Version
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

Ephesians 5:5-6---King James Version

5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Acts 2:38---King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Revelation 11:1-2---King James Version
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Revelation 7:13-15---King James Version
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them

James 2:18-26---King James Version
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


Some of the scriptures posted on this page--which Yodas didn't touch. Folks--that's the testimony of the scriptures--and they are not friendly to the theology Yodas, or the critics-- espouse here.
 

The Prophet

Active member
Hopefully not. Historic Christianity is a sham. We have the Catholics going around killing anyone who disagreed with them and then Protestants who weren't much better but said they were fixing a problem.

Meadow Mountain Massacre must have been forgotten by the LDS
Not if the other "Christian Denominations" were wrong. It appears that you believe that if the majority votes for something that it must always be right. That's not the way truth works. Only one truth can be true. Anything that deviates from the truth is false.

We already know that isn't true. It is the word of God, but the Bible is not infallible. It is the product of men and is, therefore, very fallible.

So, which is it? You named three things and then you said they were alone. So is it grace alone or is it faith alone or is it Christ alone? Make up your mind.

Is Jesus a created man? and is he still a man? Will he always be a man or has he reverted to some ethereal nothingness? If that is true, then the resurrection must be a farce, right?
 

Theo1689

Well-known member
The LDS believe His grace flows through a faith with works--as they don't believe one can be saved through a dead faith:

Please stop using this straw-man.
Christians don't believe in a "dead faith" to save us.
We believe in a LIVING Faith.

The only difference is that LDS believes that those works are themselves meritorious.
We don't.


James 2:18-26---King James Version
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

I've exegeted this passage about ten million times, showing you your error.
Yet all you do is IGNORE my response, and then repeat yourself ad nauseam.

So does the Biblical text:

Revelation 11:1-2---King James Version
Revelation 7:13-15---King James Version

Funny thing....

Where you find "Christian" temples in Acts?
Or in Romans?
1 Corinthians?
2 Corinthians?
Galatians?
Ephesians?
Philippians?
Colossians?
1 Thessalonians?
2 Thessalonians?
1 Timothy?
2 Timothy?
Titus?
Philemon?
Hebrews? (Well, it describes the JEWISH temple, and how it is WORTHLESS to Chrsitians)
James?
1 Peter?
2 Peter?
1 John?
2 John?
3 John?
Jude?

Why do you have to go to "Revelation", which is apocalyptic?
Where do you find any Scriptures from THIS side of heaven that talk about "temples"?

And where does Revelation teach MULTIPLE temples?

Be sure to examine these scriptures found in those books:

Funny how you DEMAND we "examine these Scriptures", when YOU are the one who NEVER addresses the following?:

Eph. 2:8 ... And this is not your own doing ...
Eph. 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
2 Tim. 1:9 who saved us ... not because of our works
Tit. 3:5 he saved us, not because of works ...
Rom. 4:5 And to the one who does not work ... his faith is counted as righteousness,
Rom. 4:6 ... the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:
Rom. 11:6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works;

Romans 2:5-11---King James Version
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Yes, and as I have explained to you millions of times already, this passage is speaking of the JUSTICE of God, not on the abilities of men.

And as I have explained to you millions of times before, when you KEEP READING to Rom. 3-5, you will discover that man is UNABLE to obey the deeds of the law.

You see, this is proof that you "proof-text", instead of actually reading the passages in CONTEXT. You want to quote "Rom. 2", and makes some "theology" out of them, without CONTINUING to read Rom. 3.

Philippians 2:12---King James Version
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

And again, you RIP this verse OUT OF CONTEXT as well:

Phil. 2:13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

Luke 18:18-20--King James Version
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

And again, you STOP reading too early:

Luke 18:21 And he said, “All these I have kept from my youth.” 22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” 23 But when he heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich. 24 Jesus, seeing that he had become sad, said, “How difficult it is for those who have wealth to enter cthe kingdom of God! 25 For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

Ephesians 5:5-6---King James Version
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Yes, that is true, and Christians (obviously) believe this as well.

Unfortunately for you, I've yet to meet a Mormon who was sinless, so they (you) do ALL those "bad" things you list above. I guess no Mormons will be saved! Sucks to be you, huh?
 
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