The living, mortal apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

[dberrie2020]

And in post #58 you must have sailed right by the Corinthian quote and the question I posed. Who were those unnamed special messengers (apostolos) in the Greek?

That isn't going to help you in naming what denominations experienced the heavenly revelations and visitations. That was a maxim of the NT church, which separated it from all other claims of heavenly authority and connection, as to the church. It's also what separates The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from all other denominations today.

Still waiting.

You are hung up on having names of modern apostles.

Not hung up on it--but one must be able to specifically identify them, if their claim of real, living, mortal apostles can be confirmed.

Here is the evidence of my claim:


The Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

If you want their names--that can be supplied also, but that is easily accessed by any who should desire it.

Well, they weren't all named in the NT either.

But the NT church knew who they were--and their names.

Again--what are the names of the apostles you claim--which are living, mortal apostles today?

 

[organgrinder]

That isn't going to help you in naming what denominations experienced the heavenly revelations and visitations. That was a maxim of the NT church, which separated it from all other claims of heavenly authority and connection, as to the church. It's also what separates The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from all other denominations today.

Still waiting.



Not hung up on it--but one must be able to specifically identify them, if their claim of real, living, mortal apostles can be confirmed.

Here is the evidence of my claim:


The Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

If you want their names--that can be supplied also, but that is easily accessed by any who should desire it.



But the NT church knew who they were--and their names.

Again--what are the names of the apostles you claim--which are living, mortal apostles today?

The fruit of their apostleship was evident in the Corinthian scripture I posted... which you neglected to include.

 

[dberrie2020]

The fruit of their apostleship was evident in the Corinthian scripture I posted... which you neglected to include.

Which does not preclude the heavenly visions, revelations, and manifestations they received. Please read the book of Revelation to confirm that, and which is recorded in scripture.

What denomination are you claiming has that in their formation?

 

[organgrinder]

Which does not preclude the heavenly visions, revelations, and manifestations they received. Please read the book of Revelation to confirm that, and which is recorded in scripture.

What denomination are you claiming has that in their formation?

Get on web sites and see what Jesus is doing in countries around the world. You really don't know what an apostle is anymore than you know what the Gospel is.

 

[Elijah the Tishbite]

That isn't going to help you in naming what denominations experienced the heavenly revelations and visitations. That was a maxim of the NT church, which separated it from all other claims of heavenly authority and connection, as to the church. It's also what separates The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from all other denominations today.

Still waiting.



Not hung up on it--but one must be able to specifically identify them, if their claim of real, living, mortal apostles can be confirmed.

Here is the evidence of my claim:


The Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

If you want their names--that can be supplied also, but that is easily accessed by any who should desire it.



But the NT church knew who they were--and their names.

Again--what are the names of the apostles you claim--which are living, mortal apostles today?

Hebrews 3:1 tells us who is the Apostle today ​

 

[dberrie2020]

Hebrews 3:1 tells us who is the Apostle today ​

And how does that preclude the living, mortal apostles of the NT church here?

Matthew 10:2-4---King James Version
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

Where are the living, mortal apostles and prophets today, of His church--with the accompanying heavenly visitations? Where is the heavenly authority?

 

[Elijah the Tishbite]

And how does that preclude the living, mortal apostles of the NT church here?

Matthew 10:2-4---King James Version
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

Where are the living, mortal apostles and prophets today, of His church--with the accompanying heavenly visitations? Where is the heavenly authority?

Isn't Jesus Living ​

 

[CrowCross]

That isn't going to help you in naming what denominations experienced the heavenly revelations and visitations. That was a maxim of the NT church, which separated it from all other claims of heavenly authority and connection, as to the church. It's also what separates The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from all other denominations today.

Still waiting.



Not hung up on it--but one must be able to specifically identify them, if their claim of real, living, mortal apostles can be confirmed.

Here is the evidence of my claim:


The Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

If you want their names--that can be supplied also, but that is easily accessed by any who should desire it.



But the NT church knew who they were--and their names.

Again--what are the names of the apostles you claim--which are living, mortal apostles today?

Are you saying the only living apostles today...are only mormons?

12 old white guys?

 

[Elijah the Tishbite]

Are you saying the only living apostles today...are only mormons?

12 old white guys?

The Book of Mormon teaches Jesus was a white guy ​

 

[CrowCross]

The Book of Mormon teaches Jesus was a white guy ​

I'm surprised that none of the 12 mormon apostle white guys don't have beards.

Sheeze, if I were an apostle I'd have a big ole beard....a big fluffy beard.

 

[dberrie2020]

Are you saying the only living apostles today...are only mormons?

The quorum of the twelve apostles, with the heavenly visions, revelations, and heavenly manifestations, with witnesses, and recorded as scripture--is present with the NT denomination and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

That's all I am aware of, since the NT church, and the subsequent prophesied restoration.

Do you have any others?

 

[CrowCross]

The quorum of the twelve apostles, with the heavenly visions, revelations, and heavenly manifestations, with witnesses, and recorded as scripture--is present with the NT denomination and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

That's all I am aware of, since the NT church, and the subsequent prophesied restoration.

Do you have any others?

...nice claim. I'm sure the 12 old white guys did it all.

Are the 12 old white guys automatically saved or do they still have to work out their salvation and perceiver to the end?

 

[dberrie2020]

dberrie2020 said: The quorum of the twelve apostles, with the heavenly visions, revelations, and heavenly manifestations, with witnesses, and recorded as scripture--is present with the NT denomination and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

That's all I am aware of, since the NT church, and the subsequent prophesied restoration.


Do you have any others?

...nice claim. I'm sure the 12 old white guys did it all.

And I'm sure you didn't touch my post above.

Again--what denominations have you to submit for us--which has the quorum of the twelve apostles, with the heavenly visions, revelations, and heavenly manifestations, with witnesses, and recorded as scripture--which is present with the NT denomination and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

 

[CrowCross]

And I'm sure you didn't touch my post above.

Again--what denominations have you to submit for us--which has the quorum of the twelve apostles, with the heavenly visions, revelations, and heavenly manifestations, with witnesses, and recorded as scripture--which is present with the NT denomination and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

There are NO denominations.

You didn't address my question:
Are you saying the only living apostles today...are only mormons?

12 old white guys?

 

[Elijah the Tishbite]

The quorum of the twelve apostles, with the heavenly visions, revelations, and heavenly manifestations, with witnesses, and recorded as scripture--is present with the NT denomination and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

That's all I am aware of, since the NT church, and the subsequent prophesied restoration.

Do you have any others?

President Oaks tells us none of this happened​

 

[dberrie2020]

dberrie2020 said: The quorum of the twelve apostles, with the heavenly visions, revelations, and heavenly manifestations, with witnesses, and recorded as scripture--is present with the NT denomination and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

That's all I am aware of, since the NT church, and the subsequent prophesied restoration.

Do you have any others?

There are NO denominations.

I agree. There are none, outside of the ones listed.

You didn't address my question:
Are you saying the only living apostles today...are only mormons?

12 old white guys?

My claim is there aren't any denominations today which have the living, mortal apostles and prophets--with the heavenly visions, revelations, and heavenly manifestations, with witnesses, and recorded as scripture--present with the NT denomination and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

If you disagree--then please list what denominations you believe meets those conditions.

 

[CrowCross]

I agree. There are none, outside of the ones listed.

The one listed has no TRUE apostles.

My claim is there aren't any denominations today which have the living, mortal apostles and prophets--with the heavenly visions, revelations, and heavenly manifestations, with witnesses, and recorded as scripture--present with the NT denomination and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

As I have said many times.....according to you the LDS has the only truth and the only means of obtaining salvation....and that salvation must include a baptism by bona-fide mormon priest....or it don't count and your not saved.

If you disagree--then please list what denominations you believe meets those conditions.

Why would I think your 12 old white guys without beards are apostles of Jesus Christ?

Believe me, if they truly are apostles the entire world would know who they are and what they are doing.

 

[dberrie2020]

Why would I think your 12 old white guys....

Perhaps Elders Gong(who is Asian descent) and Soares (who is from South America) wouldn't identify as "white guys".

without beards are apostles of Jesus Christ?

Where would one find a beard being a qualifying point in being an apostle of Jesus Christ?

Believe me, if they truly are apostles the entire world would know who they are and what they are doing.

There isn't any reason why anyone wouldn't know who the present quorum of the twelve apostles are, or what they are doing. All appear with regularity on tv, internet, and in publications.

 

[CrowCross]

Perhaps Elders Gong(who is Asian descent) and Soares (who is from South America) wouldn't identify as "white guys".



Where would one find a beard being a qualifying point in being an apostle of Jesus Christ?



There isn't any reason why anyone wouldn't know who the present quorum of the twelve apostles are, or what they are doing. All appear with regularity on tv, internet, and in publications.

Then I would suggest you do what the 12 white guys want you to do if you expect to be saved.

 

[dberrie2020]

Then I would suggest you do what the 12 white guys want you to do if you expect to be saved.

Would that be found in the framework of this testimony?

Acts 16:4---King James Version
4 And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem.

Could you give us the names of the living, mortal apostles of your church?