Mr Laurier
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huh?
Your total non-sequitur depends on my owning a sailor cap.
And you should try to be a little less dishonest in quotemining me.
And the letter "U" is a thing
The logical truth and reality of God.
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Your total non-sequitur depends on my owning a sailor cap.
And you should try to be a little less dishonest in quotemining me.
And the letter "U" is a thing
Electric Skeptic
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No, they're not - or, to precisely the same extent, festivals/events/objects/etc created in reference to other deities would be evidence of their existence. Is the fact that the days of the week and months of the year are named for ancient gods evidence of their existence?
Of course not; they're just evidence of people's belief in those gods.
Again, that is not the case. The bible could have been written, and all of the above lines included, whether God exists or not.
Tetsugaku
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A worthless opinion given that you don't know what evidence is and refuse to learn.
False and completely unsupported.
Algor
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How could you possibly show that this assertion is true? Seriously: look at it from an analytical point of view. How could one demonstrate that, given no God, no such things could possibly have happened?
Let me suggest to you another way of looking at it: you are a believer, and a convinced one. I don't want to put words in your mouth, so please correct me if I am wrong, and believe me, I mean no disrespect. But if I am correct, to you, God is part of the background of everything. It is literally impossible for anything to happen without God: he's the backdrop, the stage, the grounding of reality. Here's my point: accepting (for the purposes of argument) that this is true, how can you state that anything would happen if God was not real? The contrafactual is so large, from the perspective of someone who takes God seriously, that the proposal of "What could happen, given no God?" is somehow absurd.
So why would you propose it? And how could you ever answer it? Those are actual, non-rhetorical questions.
Lighthearted Atheist
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This was done by man and is in no way proof of god.
These are human organizations that help people - there is no evidence that God is involved.
They use science.
I like Hindu and Muslim artwork - it does not prove Allah is real.
Put there by men, not god.
Quotes from the Koran are displayed in public all over the world.
Ramadan and Diwali.
Muslim bumper stickers and flags.
Debates in the name of Islam.
Erected by men - the same as shrines to Allah.
None of this is objective evidence for god in any way.
This would be evidence for god:
- Manna from the sky we can test
- God appears and speaks to humanity
- Jesus rises from the dead while doctors and scientists examine him
God uses man to do His will; He used a lying spirit to do His will; and in two instances that I know of, He let Satan do His will.
And who says Jupiter, Zeus, Odin, or Osiris didn't exist back then?
Lighthearted Atheist
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The existence of these specular things does not prove God as you claimed. Can you prove that God used man?
I see no reason to believe they did. Do you believe they did? How did you prove that?
I think we're going in circles here.
Yes, I believe they did; and the burden of proof is not on me, because I don't go by science.Lighthearted Atheist said:
Whateverman
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A competent God would do His things Himself.
Everything?
Whateverman
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I can't say.
What I can say, though, is that Christians believe God created (ultimately) flawed beings who were then condemned to Hell for being imperfect. For God to then use these beings to "do His will" is ridiculous; a competent creator would use the best tools available, and humans definitely are not one of them.
ps. and really, a creator God would have no need of tools...
God certainly works in mysterious ways, doesn't He?
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Lighthearted Atheist
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Not really. I asked if you had any proof of your beliefs and you have none. Fairly linier.
If you do not use science then how do you know what is real and what is not?
Faith.
How do I know it's gas I'm putting in my car at the gas pump?
I'm willing to take that chance.
With God though, it's not quite the same.
I'm willing to do my part, and He does His.
The outcome is as follows:
2 Timothy 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
Whateverman
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No. That He's incompetent is no mystery.
Lighthearted Atheist
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I start the car. If it starts its gas. If not then it was something else and I need to gather evidence to figure out what the liquid was. Not faith at all.
There are 10,000 gods and you have chosen one to be real. So your chance is 1 in 10,000. Might have better luck with the lottery
I see no reason to believe that quote is from a god - but I am glad it makes you happy.
Whatsisface
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The burden of proof is on you I'm afraid because you made the claim.
stiggy wiggy
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This is what men lead by God done; so it certainly isn't proof of God not existing.
These are "organizations" started by believers in God in order "help people", so they are certainly not proof of God not existing.
These are places started by believers in God that use medicine and technology to help people. So they are certainly not proof of God not existing.
Strawman.
These are places started by men who believed in God to help people. So their existence is certainly not evidence of God not existing.
Strawmen. No-one is saying it is.
Manna from the sky just represents a humans need for the truth in order to survive and thrive in reality.
God appears through the truth only appearing and existing in the reality of a Believing Mind.
Jesus raises believers from the dead by using belief and faith as the mode by which God makes reality known to them.
Yes, a bunch of things that exist in reality because of people who believed in God and done this in God's name.
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