The Mercy of the Lord Endureth Forever - Except for the Billions Burning in Hell for Eternity.

High Premise

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Hey all ya'll.
Brand new here with my first post - thought I'd start off with something light-hearted.

We know Psalm 136 heralds the mercy of the Lord 26 times, yet we have these translations with phrases like Eternal Punishment.
Sounds seriously contradictory to me.
Is there something nefarious afoot?

vad är dina tankar
(what are your thoughts)
 
Bob Carabbio

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The Mercy of the Lord Endureth Forever - Except for the Billions Burning in Hell for Eternity.​

They made their choice.

Unless Calvinism is true, and then they HAD NO CHOICE.
 
High Premise

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Bob Carabbio said:

The Mercy of the Lord Endureth Forever - Except for the Billions Burning in Hell for Eternity.​

They made their choice.

Unless Calvinism is true, and then they HAD NO CHOICE.
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How unfortunate for them.
Jesus paid the price for the sins of the world through his death in under one day, but they pay the price for their sin throughout the endless horizons of eternity. After 900 trillion years, their torture in eternity has just begun.

However, it appears the Mercy of the Lord has the Royal Flush -

Romans 9:16
It is NOT of him that willeth or him that runneth
BUT GOD THAT SHOWS MERCY.

John 5:21 The son quickeneth whom he wills
 
High Premise

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Theo1689 said:
They certainly had a choice.
They CHOSE to sin.
They CHOSE to hate God.
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How does Romans 11:32 factor into your analysis?
"God has concluded them ALL in unbelief, THAT he might have mercy upon ALL"

I keep running into the Mercy of God . . Edit per mod
 
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preacher4truth

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High Premise said:
Hey all ya'll.
Brand new here with my first post - thought I'd start off with something light-hearted.

We know Psalm 136 heralds the mercy of the Lord 26 times, yet we have these translations with phrases like Eternal Punishment.
Sounds seriously contradictory to me.
Is there something nefarious afoot?

vad är dina tankar
(what are your thoughts)
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That is written to His children, those whom He has saved, and, He has mercy on whom He wills to do so; Romans 9:11ff.
 
Theo1689

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High Premise said:
Is them also the "ALL THINGS" in Romans 11:36?
"Out of him and through him and to him are all things"?
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Yep.

High Premise said:
If so, the Holy Spirit screwed up, he should have inspired it this way -
"For out of him are all things but through him and to him are some things" -
Which of course, is what the Damnationist's are proposing in their Damnationism.
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Not seeing any reason to accept your viewpoint, I respectfully disagree.

What you don't seem to understand is that while you think you may have one or two verses which (you think) "disprove" Calvinism, there are literally HUNDREDS which support it, meaning that if I were to reject Calvinism, I would have to reject the Bible.

But since every single verse in the Bible is consistent with Calvinism, I see no reason to reject either.

Thank you for your concern, all the same.
 
preacher4truth

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High Premise said:
All belief's begin with one or two verses, and are dismissed by other beliefs by saying the same.
I just look at the clarity of verses like I Cor 15:28 that "God Shall Be All in All" - of which the context is consistent with it.
I've been labeled a Universalist, I prefer to just stay with scripture - I'm a Reconciliationist (II Corinthians 5:19).

The issue that Damnationist's have, is this - Eternal Damnationism, with it's bogus translations, is inconsistent with the Love of God - and "Love Never Fails" - I Cor 13:8.

Only the deep darkness of the bottomless pit of the adamic nature of decomposing mortal man could conceive of such abomination.
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Talk about missing context entirely, the above is a clinic on how to...
 
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High Premise

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preacher4truth said:
Talk about missing context entirely, the above is a clinic on how to...
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To criticize presupposes an alternative, which you offered none. Typical. And I won't be expecting any either since the context is coherent. Missing Context Entirely? "All liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire"

The funny thing about Hell is this -
Mortals are not Going to Hell, they're already there.
Since 'flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God ( I Cor 15:50), then they are still in Hell (Hades).
I Cor 15:54-55 states When this mortal puts on immortality -
then shall be brought to pass the saying oh death where is thy sting oh hades thy victory.

Try to challenge that context @preacher4truth - let's see how honest you are.
 
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High Premise

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Theo1689 said:
I guess that's something we have in common then...
I'll continue to stick to Scripture, and reject the false teachings of anonymous people from the Internet.
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Are you anonymous?
Then you won't have an issue telling us if you are Inside or Outside the "Gates of Hell" - Matthew 16:18
 
Theo1689

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High Premise said:
Are you anonymous?
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Well, I'm pretty sure you don't know my identity.
But then again, I don't really care if you disagree with me.
You seem to be the one trying to force a conversation.

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Then you won't have an issue telling us if you are Inside or Outside the "Gates of Hell" - Matthew 16:18
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Yeah, it seems you simply want to argue, and I've got better things to do with my time.
Have a nice day! ;)
 
preacher4truth

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High Premise said:
To criticize presupposes an alternative, which you offered none. Typical. And I won't be expecting any either since the context is coherent. Missing Context Entirely? "All liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire"

The funny thing about Hell is this -
Mortals are not Going to Hell, they're already there.
Since 'flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God ( I Cor 15:50), then they are still in Hell (Hades).
I Cor 15:54-55 states When this mortal puts on immortality -
then shall be brought to pass the saying oh death where is thy sting oh hades thy victory.

Try to challenge that context @preacher4truth - let's see how honest you are.
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Your retort is nothing but incomprehensible blather. That's the context.

You also seem angry with God, Colossians 1:21; Romans 9:20-21, and appear as one who feels deserving of eternal life.

And, frankly? Quite familiar.
 
Bob Carabbio

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Theo1689 said:
They certainly had a choice.
They CHOSE to sin.
They CHOSE to hate God.
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EXACTLY like all the rest of us did - until -

But the Calvie claims they weren't "Elect" from before creation, so they never had a chance to be anything else but firewood ("U" & "L"). And of course those of us who became BORN AGAIN didn't have a choice either ("I" & "P").
 
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Theo1689

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Bob Carabbio said:
EXACTLY like all the rest of us did - until -

But Calvie claims they weren't "Elect" from before creation, so they never had a chance to be anything else but firewood ("U" & "L"). And of course those of us who became BORN AGAIN didn't have a choice either ("I" & "P").
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They chose to sin.
They don't seem to like the consequences.
Like those who engage in unprotected sex, don't like the consequences (getting pregnant), and then murdering a baby rather than own the consequences.

Election to salvation is UNMERITED favour.
Nobody can "demand" it.
God is not "obligated" to give it to AN-Y-ONE.
And anyone who feels "entitled" to election, and demands that God give it to EVERYONE, doesn't really appreciate the grace they were themselves given.

IN.
MY.
OPINION.
 
Bob Carabbio

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Theo1689 said:
They chose to sin.
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Like you and I did.
Theo1689 said:
They don't seem to like the consequences.
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They may have liked the "Consequences" a LOT!! and not believeing in the eventual penalty for their actions, didn't see that as an issue
Theo1689 said:
Like those who engage in unprotected sex, don't like the consequences (getting pregnant), and then murdering a baby rather than own the consequences.
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Not even related to the issue.
Theo1689 said:
Election to salvation is UNMERITED favour.
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That, at least, is Correct. NO HUMAN deserves anything other that the Lake of fire - because of our SIN.
Theo1689 said:
Nobody can "demand" it.
God is not "obligated" to give it to AN-Y-ONE.
And anyone who feels "entitled" to election, and demands that God give it to EVERYONE, doesn't really appreciate the grace they were themselves given.
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Just "Weasel words" meaning nothing. OF COURSE God isn't "obligated" to do anything (except what He's "obligated" Himself to - His Word). Romans 9 is the Calvie's favorite passage. Calvinism teaches that God, before creation, selected certain TOTALLY DEPRAVED ("T") individuals arbitrarily ("U") to save, cleanse, justify, and become Children of God, and by default, also selected certain individuals (quite possibly the MAJORITY OF HUMANITY) to damn. And teaches that NEITHER collection of Humans had any choice in the matter.

No matter how you "Spin it" that's Calvinism in a nutshell.
 
Manfred

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Bob Carabbio said:
Like you and I did.

They may have liked the "Consequences" a LOT!! and not believeing in the eventual penalty for their actions, didn't see that as an issue

Not even related to the issue.

That, at least, is Correct. NO HUMAN deserves anything other that the Lake of fire - because of our SIN.

Just "Weasel words" meaning nothing. OF COURSE God isn't "obligated" to do anything (except what He's "obligated" Himself to - His Word). Romans 9 is the Calvie's favorite passage. Calvinism teaches that God, before creation, selected certain TOTALLY DEPRAVED ("T") individuals arbitrarily ("U") to save, cleanse, justify, and become Children of God, and by default, also selected certain individuals (quite possibly the MAJORITY OF HUMANITY) to damn. And teaches that NEITHER collection of Humans had any choice in the matter.

No matter how you "Spin it" that's Calvinism in a nutshell.
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Now give us Arminianism in a nutshell.
 
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High Premise said:
Hey all ya'll.
Brand new here with my first post - thought I'd start off with something light-hearted.

We know Psalm 136 heralds the mercy of the Lord 26 times, yet we have these translations with phrases like Eternal Punishment.
Sounds seriously contradictory to me.
Is there something nefarious afoot?

vad är dina tankar
(what are your thoughts)
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God is discriminatory/sovereign on whom receives His Mercy have you not read Rom 9:18

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
 
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