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Bonnie

Super Member
So you just resort on people for fellowship?

I know your sort.
What are you talking about? We "fellowship" with Jesus Christ each and every time we meet for worship, and whenever we spend time in prayer with Him.

So, what "sort" am I anyway?
 

BMS

Well-known member
My fellowship of the 6-8 of us has been meeting and praying for 21+ years now.
Its what most of the church does in China, and may well soon be the way things will be in most if not all of the west.
 
I have been watching as a group of people meet every Wednesday night in a home. I notice them because they all drive huge SUVs and use up all the street parking in a very small space where people park to take walks down to the beach. I don't know why they meet or why on Wednesday evening. I asked two immediate neighbors. They don't have any idea what is happening. I asked a woman who parks there what she thought these people might be doing on Wednesday nights. She didn't know. This just started happening in the last few months. These people just show up and leave without talking to anyone else in the community. Immediate neighbors don't know what is taking place. This could be a terrorist cell for all anyone knows. I saw someone leaving and they were carrying a book. What sort of book? Just a book. Nothing other than a book. Didn't look like a Koran. It wasn't a Torah scroll. Could be a novel. One neighbor suggested it might be a book club. The lack of interest in what is happing on a street with only six houses total is a reflection of suburban culture. We don't take notice of what is happening in our own back yard. We don't care. We aren't even curious about what happens two doors down. I think it is a home fellowship but I don't know. I have a background in 'social science' and take an interest in human behavior. Particularly group behavior. Small groups are an object of fascination. Why people do what they do in small groups. The church started out as small groups.
 
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Rockson

Active member
I'm just sad at this. I keep trying to "get plugged in" to "Life Groups," as they call them. I don't think churches think Christian fellowship outside of a sermon is important.

Thoughts?
I don't think they think of it as not important but their actions do lean towards bringing them into their big auditorium, hear the song team worship, announcements, then hear the Pastor's sermon. Right before that though they do encourage everyone to turn around and shake hands with everybody for about 5 minutes then make your way quickly back to your seat to hear the sermon.

I know if you ask one if they forsake the fellowshipping of yourselves together as Heb 10:25 warns us not to do people would say NO....they went to church on Sunday but is shaking hands for a few seconds saying, God bless you and see you next week.....really fellowship? I think some convince themselves that it is. One could say it is I guess but it only is in diminished, water downed way.

Fellowship really means where each member of the body is in real communication with others....strengthening and encouraging one another....you've got things that God has done for you that when you share it it inspires me and the same with me towards you. When you're going through a problem other Christians are there to pray in agreement with you and each one looks for whatever way to encourage the family (of God) Can't do that with, "Hey how you doing....oh by the way....see you next week!"

That's not to say the fault is to be put upon Church leaders if this is how it plays out. All the saints in the pews KNOW they can invite people over to their homes or go out to other places and really develop relationships. Some people do and make real fellowship happen and it never should be considered something one has to do but rather what you get to do. It brings pleasure to the heart of God to know his family is functioning in the way he intended.
 

Rockson

Active member
I have been watching as a group of people meet every Wednesday night in a home. I notice them because they all drive huge SUVs and use up all the street parking in a very small space where people park to take walks down to the beach. I don't know why they meet or why on Wednesday evening. I asked two immediate neighbors. They don't have any idea what is happening. I asked a woman who parks there what she thought these people might be doing on Wednesday nights. She didn't know. This just started happening in the last few months. These people just show up and leave without talking to anyone else in the community. Immediate neighbors don't know what is taking place. This could be a terrorist cell for all anyone knows. I saw someone leaving and they were carrying a book. What sort of book? Just a book. Nothing other than a book. Didn't look like a Koran. It wasn't a Torah scroll. Could be a novel. One neighbor suggested it might be a book club. The lack of interest in what is happing on a street with only six houses total is a reflection of suburban culture. We don't take notice of what is happening in our own back yard. We don't care. We aren't even curious about what happens two doors down. I think it is a home fellowship but I don't know. I have a background in 'social science' and take an interest in human behavior. Particularly group behavior. Small groups are an object of fascination. Why people do what they do in small groups. The church started out as small groups.
Couldn't help but smile when I read your post. Sounds like a Twilight Zone episode from the 50's "The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street"

Some strange noise is heard in the sky over a subdivision. All the power goes off and stays off. They thinks there's been an alien invasion. Maybe some of their neighbors are aliens too? Why is it one neighbor had a ham radio down in his basement! Who has he been talking to anyway? What about another who one saw a different neighbor go out in the middle of the night and just stares at the sky? He's connecting to his alien friends? Why is it that yet another neighbor's car turned on with power and nobody elses would? They all began fighting one another thinking everybody was an alien except themselves. Then the REAL aliens who made the noise and turned off the power in a far off location just sat back and laughed. This was how they'd conquer the whole world....just make a funny noise, tweak the power and back off. The people themselves will do themselves in.

These people just show up and leave without talking to anyone else in the community. Immediate neighbors don't know what is taking place. This could be a terrorist cell for all anyone knows. I saw someone leaving and they were carrying a book. What sort of book? Just a book. Nothing other than a book. Didn't look like a Koran. It wasn't a Torah scroll. Could be a novel. One neighbor suggested it might be a book club.

I don't know Stirling. Next time you see the guy with the book maybe you should just run up and grab it out of his hands and run away then check out what's in it. Or maybe you can just ask, "Hey you guys what's going on?" There's no excuse for anyone to be carrying a book that we can't know what it is! Hahaha....sorry folks couldn't resist. :)
 
Couldn't help but smile when I read your post. Sounds like a Twilight Zone episode from the 50's "The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street"

Some strange noise is heard in the sky over a subdivision. All the power goes off and stays off. They thinks there's been an alien invasion. Maybe some of their neighbors are aliens too? Why is it one neighbor had a ham radio down in his basement! Who has he been talking to anyway? What about another who one saw a different neighbor go out in the middle of the night and just stares at the sky? He's connecting to his alien friends? Why is it that yet another neighbor's car turned on with power and nobody elses would? They all began fighting one another thinking everybody was an alien except themselves. Then the REAL aliens who made the noise and turned off the power in a far off location just sat back and laughed. This was how they'd conquer the whole world....just make a funny noise, tweak the power and back off. The people themselves will do themselves in.

These people just show up and leave without talking to anyone else in the community. Immediate neighbors don't know what is taking place. This could be a terrorist cell for all anyone knows. I saw someone leaving and they were carrying a book. What sort of book? Just a book. Nothing other than a book. Didn't look like a Koran. It wasn't a Torah scroll. Could be a novel. One neighbor suggested it might be a book club.

I don't know Stirling. Next time you see the guy with the book maybe you should just run up and grab it out of his hands and run away then check out what's in it. Or maybe you can just ask, "Hey you guys what's going on?" There's no excuse for anyone to be carrying a book that we can't know what it is! Hahaha....sorry folks couldn't resist. :)
Believe it or not I was doing some research on Rod Stirling yesterday. I think the current cultural situation is something Rod Stirling would have appreciated.



The cryptic narrative about Wednesday night meetings reflects fall out from the recently revised lockdown guidelines. People are starting to gather on a small scale. The meetings were not happening in 2020. The park entrance is an alternative used by a growing number of people. Using the parking lot in the park hasn't been safe for decades. Recent Videos of man/woman "smash and grab" teams are on facebook. The piles of broken glass are cleaned up periodically.

TWILIGHT ZONE
"I am NOT LIVING IN THE PARK. I was NEVER living in the Park." I have been occasionally conversing with a 39yo man who calls himself Mickey. He isn't homeless and doesn't live in the Park. He has a job that starts at 3am in morning so his habits are somewhat confusing to onlookers. He leaves his Altima parked at the same location mentioned in the previous narrative. He has set up an open air "office" in a rain drainage culvert constructed in 2020 to control erosion this is 50 yards up the hill from "North Beach" just south of the park's north boundary with Shorewood on the Sound. The last I looked his open air office had been removed.

Micky was reading a famous essay by "Walter Benjamin" on Art in the age of Mechanical Reproduction. Some of the neighbors have noticed his presence and assumed he was homeless. His location in the park is only visible from a the north beach trail which a very small percentage of park users even know about much less frequent. Darcy a 30 southing woman who owns a house a the dead-end of the street where Micky parks his Altima asked me what he was doing at his "office." She was concerned about disrupting his privacy at his camp site (aka Office). This reflects the views of a life time resident of Seattle who grew up and went to School in Ballard. Darcy is a Seattle native from Ballard and she has never heard of Mark Driscoll.

Micky isn't bothering anyone. He runs in the park. His office is history. I recently saw him running backwards down a narrow trail I was ascending..He told me he lives in Shorewood on the Sound which is the location of this narrative. He is convinced he has uncovered profound insights in Walter Benjamin. When I suggested a DuckDuckGo search of Walter Benjamin Andy Warhol Mickey became very scornful. He dismissed the idea out of hand.

Walking in the Park is a challenge. It is a multicultural nightmare. Navigating it is a strain which is why some people walk plugged into their mobile and tuned out. "Turn on, tune out, drop out"
 
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civic

Well-known member
Or from any denomination, which has already decided what the "truth" is, and expects its personnel to agree. That IS how denominations function, after all.
That is not true in the churches where I have led small groups we not only discuss the sermon but also other topics as well that are controversial just like on the Arminian/Calvinist forum. I allow it to go into an open forum type discussion and its a good learning tool for the group. On the essentials unity on the non essentials charity.
 

Bob Carabbio

Well-known member
That is not true in the churches where I have led small groups we not only discuss the sermon but also other topics as well that are controversial just like on the Arminian/Calvinist forum. I allow it to go into an open forum type discussion and its a good learning tool for the group. On the essentials unity on the non essentials charity.
When I led Small groups back in the '70s and early '80s, we followed the same concept. NO SUBJECT was off limits, and discussion could go anywhere it wanted. In those days there was a great HUNGER for the Word (since Charismatics tended to be from Liberal denominations that didn't pay much attention the the written Word). I was moving as a Bible teacher independant of Denominational limitations at the time.

When the Charismatic OUTPOURING ended in the late '70s, and turned into the "Charismatic Movement", I went back into the Assemblies of God Denomination as a "church home". The Assemblies of God denomination, however, was VERY AFRAID of "Small groups", and wouldn't permit that soert of free discussion, for fear that it would lead to division in the church, and cause problems. SO they always kept a tight rein (still do) on what went on.
 

SteveB

Well-known member
The Assemblies of God were deathly AFRAID of "Small Groups", because they saw them as Hotbeds of ERROR, and a THREAT to the unity of the Denominational "Official beliefs". Now they have them, but generally under tight pastoral control, and generally limited to discussions of the last sermon -
The church I attend has home groups for married couples.
But no other groups.

Which I find strange because the larger church body of this non-denominational "denomination" has been doing home fellowship groups since not long after it started.
 
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