The natural man cannot receive the gospel !

brightfame52

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1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It should be no question that the things of the Spirit of God here is the Gospel, and they must be spiritually discerned.

The Gospel is called foolishness to the natural man again here by Paul 1 Cor 1:18

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Now the Gospel is light 2 Cor 4:4

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


However, darkness cannot comprehend the light Jn 1:5

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


And men by nature are darkness until made light in the Lord Eph 5:8

For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

As long as we are darkness by nature, we cannot comprehend the Gospel, the things of God in it, it will be foolishness unto us.

The carnal natural mind is at enmity against God Rom 8:7

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

This is true even if its naturally moral and religious !
 

PeanutGallery

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If one will not respond to creation testifying, law written in the heart, conscience bearing witness, Holy Spirit reproving, then neither will one respond to the gospel.
 

newheart78

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1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It should be no question that the things of the Spirit of God here is the Gospel, and they must be spiritually discerned.

The Gospel is called foolishness to the natural man again here by Paul 1 Cor 1:18


For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Now the Gospel is light 2 Cor 4:4

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


However, darkness cannot comprehend the light Jn 1:5

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


And men by nature are darkness until made light in the Lord Eph 5:8

For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

As long as we are darkness by nature, we cannot comprehend the Gospel, the things of God in it, it will be foolishness unto us.

The carnal natural mind is at enmity against God Rom 8:7

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

This is true even if its naturally moral and religious !
Amen Brother ! The Gospel belongs to the category of the Things of the Spirit of God, so consequently the natural man cannot receive them because they must be spiritually discerned. So in actuality, there's no simple way to present the Gospel to the natural man. For one must first be Of God to Hear God's Words, which the Gospel is.

John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
 
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guest1

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IF the natural man does not hear the Gospel, the individual can not respond to the Gospel. So the very idea that the natural man cannot receive the Gospel is an oxymoron.
I would love to see him explain the 4 soils lol.

Matthew 13
Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”

10 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”

11 He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12 Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables:

“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:

“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15 For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’[a]
16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17 For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

18 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 22 The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful. 23 But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”
 

brightfame52

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IF the natural man does not hear the Gospel, the individual can not respond to the Gospel. So the very idea that the natural man cannot receive the Gospel is an oxymoron.
The natural man can hear the gospel, and perhaps to a degree understand the letter of it, however he cannot spiritually hear the Gospel and he cannot spiritually understand the Gospel since he is spiritually dead !
 

brightfame52

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Well. That is a "little better" but not much.

This doesn't answer why the Gospel is preached the natural man. In fact, it essential that the natural man receive the Gospel.
What do you mean ? The natural mans understanding of the gospel is enmity against God, he considers it foolishness, and Gods purpose in sending the natural man the Gospel is a purpose of hardening him, that it is to him a savor of death unto death Read 2 Cor 2
 
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guest1

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Brother, I say this sincerely, most of the rethoritic used to banter the various theological debates between varying sides of these discussion are superficial and of little value. They end up in rhetorical circular demands where everly simplistic statements are used as justification for weak positions.
you are wasting your time bro
 

brightfame52

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Brother, I say this sincerely, most of the rethoritic used to banter the various theological debates between varying sides of these discussion are superficial and of little value. They end up in rhetorical circular demands where everly simplistic statements are used as justification for weak positions.
It is what it is. Its not good if God sends the Gospel to the natural man, its for a hardening purpose. Just like when He sent isaiah to preach to the people, god had a reprobating purpose behind it, you better recognize Isa 6:8-10

8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.

9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
 

brightfame52

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You're the one claiming that the natural can not receive the Gospel. At the very least, you should revise your statement/claim and admit the issue is more nuanced than your OP proposes.

Again. God has reasons.... for the various "things" HE does. There are purpose in His ways.

Can you give me something besides "God said so"?
If God commissions His servants to Go preach, then go preach. I know its not His purpose to save everyone, some people He has appointed to wrath, yet He wants them to hear the Gospel. Now with that said, the natural man cannot receive the Gospel Spiritually because he is spiritually dead.
 
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guest1

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Im saying what I said, read the post and scripture provided !
Your ideas are not biblical and all of us agree with the scriptures cited just not your perversion of them. Understand the difference ?

And the sad thing is most of us are reformed and we disagree with you . That says more about you then it does us.

hope this helps !!!
 

brightfame52

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Your ideas are not biblical and all of us agree with the scriptures cited just not your perversion of them. Understand the difference ?

And the sad thing is most of us are reformed and we disagree with you . That says more about you then it does us.

hope this helps !!!
Im telling you what i stated to the other poster, I said what I said, with scripture.
 
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