The New Pro-Choice Version of "It's a Wonderful Life"

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stiggywggy

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We all know the story, so there is no point in recounting the details leading up to Clarence entering the scene and saving George Bailey from drowning. Up to that point, even though our revised version takes place today instead of 1947, Frank Capra's film would remain essentially the same as the modern day pro-choice version. In our new film George was born in 1974, a year after Roe versus Wade. Clarence shows George what life would be like if George's mother had been a freer, more liberated woman than Capra had depicted her. A few months before George's actual birth she exercises her newly discovered right to "bodily autonomy" and hires a doctor to suction George's brains out of his head. The gruesome procedure is shown on the screen to ensure an R rating for violence, and thus higher viewership.

After witnessing what Clarence showed him of his mother's actions, George sighs and expresses admiration for her heroic efforts to kill him before he ever got the opportunity to enter the world as she did. He tells Clarence to go ahead and grant him his previous wish that he had never been born, since now that he understands the importance of furthering progressive ideas, he is pleased to have been sacrificed on the altar of a "family planning" table.

The film ends at this point, as we have our heroic protagonist. It is not George after all, but rather his Mom and the doctor who sucked out his brains.

And poor Uncle Billy goes to prison.
 

Temujin

Active member
We all know the story, so there is no point in recounting the details leading up to Clarence entering the scene and saving George Bailey from drowning. Up to that point, even though our revised version takes place today instead of 1947, Frank Capra's film would remain essentially the same as the modern day pro-choice version. In our new film George was born in 1974, a year after Roe versus Wade. Clarence shows George what life would be like if George's mother had been a freer, more liberated woman than Capra had depicted her. A few months before George's actual birth she exercises her newly discovered right to "bodily autonomy" and hires a doctor to suction George's brains out of his head. The gruesome procedure is shown on the screen to ensure an R rating for violence, and thus higher viewership.

After witnessing what Clarence showed him of his mother's actions, George sighs and expresses admiration for her heroic efforts to kill him before he ever got the opportunity to enter the world as she did. He tells Clarence to go ahead and grant him his previous wish that he had never been born, since now that he understands the importance of furthering progressive ideas, he is pleased to have been sacrificed on the altar of a "family planning" table.

The film ends at this point, as we have our heroic protagonist. It is not George after all, but rather his Mom and the doctor who sucked out his brains.

And poor Uncle Billy goes to prison.
I can honestly say that I have never watched it. I'm unlikely to watch your "parody" either.
 
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stiggywggy

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That's because they used a "bitter water" abortifacient to terminate the pregnancies of adulteresses because of the property rights of men to ensure legitimate lines of descent and inheritance (Numbers 5:20-28).
And yet they didn't. See Numbers 5:20-28.
 

J regia

Member
And yet they didn't. See Numbers 5:20-28.
Numbers 5:20-28 obviously describes the termination of pregnancies of adulteresses, since it doesn't require male adulterers to drink a medication of "bitter water" and say "so be it, so be it" too. And obviously that commandment isn't about upset stomachs and aching thighs as some falsely claim.

Numbers 5:20-28 Common English Bible​

20 But if you have had an affair while married to your husband, if you have defiled yourself, and a man other than your husband has had intercourse with you”— 21 then the priest must make the woman utter the curse and say to the woman, “May the Lord make you a curse and a harmful pledge among your people, when the Lord induces a miscarriage and your womb discharges. 22 And may the water that brings these curses enter your stomach and make your womb discharge and make you miscarry.”
And the woman will say, “I agree, I agree.”
23 The priest will write these curses in the scroll and wipe them off into the water of bitterness. 24 Then he will make the woman drink the water of bitterness that brings the curse. And the water that brings the curse will enter her, causing bitterness. 25 The priest will take the grain offering for jealousy from the woman’s hands, elevate the grain offering before the Lord, and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest will take a handful of the grain offering as a token part of it and turn it into smoke on the altar. And afterward he will make the woman drink the water. 27 When he has made her drink the water, if she has defiled herself and has broken faith with her husband, then the water that brings the curse will enter her, causing bitterness, and her womb will discharge and she will miscarry. The woman will be a curse among her people. 28 But if the woman hasn’t defiled herself and she is pure, then she will be immune and able to conceive.
 
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stiggywggy

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Numbers 5:20-28 obviously describes the termination of pregnancies of adulteresses, since it doesn't require male adulterers to drink a medication of "bitter water" and say "so be it, so be it" too. And obviously that commandment isn't about upset stomachs and aching thighs as some falsely claim.

Numbers 5:20-28 Common English Bible​

20 But if you have had an affair while married to your husband, if you have defiled yourself, and a man other than your husband has had intercourse with you”— 21 then the priest must make the woman utter the curse and say to the woman, “May the Lord make you a curse and a harmful pledge among your people, when the Lord induces a miscarriage and your womb discharges. 22 And may the water that brings these curses enter your stomach and make your womb discharge and make you miscarry.”
And the woman will say, “I agree, I agree.”
23 The priest will write these curses in the scroll and wipe them off into the water of bitterness. 24 Then he will make the woman drink the water of bitterness that brings the curse. And the water that brings the curse will enter her, causing bitterness. 25 The priest will take the grain offering for jealousy from the woman’s hands, elevate the grain offering before the Lord, and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest will take a handful of the grain offering as a token part of it and turn it into smoke on the altar. And afterward he will make the woman drink the water. 27 When he has made her drink the water, if she has defiled herself and has broken faith with her husband, then the water that brings the curse will enter her, causing bitterness, and her womb will discharge and she will miscarry. The woman will be a curse among her people. 28 But if the woman hasn’t defiled herself and she is pure, then she will be immune and able to conceive.

NUMBERS 5:

20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:

21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;

22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water:

24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter.

25 Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the Lord, and offer it upon the altar:

26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.

27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.

28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.

Now get busy proving that thighs rot off of women who kill their kids in the womb.
 

Beloved Daughter

Active member
But was abortion gruesome as commanded in Numbers 5:20-28?
There is nothing in Numbers 5:20-28 that suggests it is talking about abortion.


Numbers abortion, jealousy offering
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Question: "Is Numbers 5:11-31 referring to God causing an abortion? What was the jealousy offering?"

Answer:
Numbers 5:11-31, describes an unusual procedure, known as the jealousy offering, a husband could use to determine if his wife had been unfaithful to him. Essentially, the husband and wife would come to the priest, the priest would then create a concoction of unpleasant ingredients, and then the wife would have to drink the concoction. If the wife was guilty of adultery, she would get sick and her belly would swell. If the wife was innocent, God would protect her from the effects of the concoction. There was nothing magical about the concoction. It was entirely a matter of God using the result to demonstrate whether a woman was innocent or guilty. So, in summary, Numbers 5:11-31 affirms the truth of Numbers 32:23, "Be sure your sin will find you out."

Some propose that Numbers 5:11-31 refers to God causing an abortion. The 2011 edition of the NIV mistakenly states that the drink will cause miscarriage in Numbers 5:21-22, 27. However, this is not what the passage is talking about. Pregnancy is nowhere mentioned, or even hinted at, in the text. The only thing that even sounds like pregnancy is the guilty wife’s stomach becoming bloated, but even in that instance, it has nothing to do with pregnancy. Further, the passage does not say that drinking the concoction would cause an abortion/miscarriage. While drinking a poisonous mixture of ingredients could very well cause a miscarriage, that is not what this text is speaking of.

If a wife was found guilty, the punishment was death (Leviticus 20:10). If the wife was found innocent, she would be “cleared of guilt” and “able to have children” (Numbers 5:28). So, again, Numbers 5:11-31 does not refer to abortion in any sense. Rather, it is describing a method that God allowed to be used to determine if a wife had committed adultery against her husband.
 

J regia

Member
NUMBERS 5:

20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:

21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;

22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water:

24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter.

25 Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the Lord, and offer it upon the altar:

26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.

27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.

28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.

Now get busy proving that thighs rot off of women who kill their kids in the womb.

In other words that's just an archaic way of describing the termination of the pregnancies of adulteresses and isn't about upset stomachs and rotting thighs.

If you actually believe otherwise, then why aren't male adulterers also commanded to drink a medication of "bitter water" and say "so be it, so be it" too?

You know it makes sense.
 
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stiggywggy

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In other words that's just an archaic way of describing the termination of the pregnancies of adulteresses and isn't about upset stomachs and rotting thighs.

If you actually believe otherwise, then why aren't male adulterers also commanded to drink a medication of "bitter water" and say "so be it, so be it" too?

You know it makes sense.
Stop babbling, old man, and get busy finding a reference to abortion in this:

20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:

21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;

22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water:

24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter.

25 Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the Lord, and offer it upon the altar:

26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.

27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.

28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.
 

J regia

Member
There is nothing in Numbers 5:20-28 that suggests it is talking about abortion.


Question: "Is Numbers 5:11-31 referring to God causing an abortion? What was the jealousy offering?"

Answer:
Numbers 5:11-31, describes an unusual procedure, known as the jealousy offering, a husband could use to determine if his wife had been unfaithful to him. Essentially, the husband and wife would come to the priest, the priest would then create a concoction of unpleasant ingredients, and then the wife would have to drink the concoction. If the wife was guilty of adultery, she would get sick and her belly would swell. If the wife was innocent, God would protect her from the effects of the concoction. There was nothing magical about the concoction. It was entirely a matter of God using the result to demonstrate whether a woman was innocent or guilty. So, in summary, Numbers 5:11-31 affirms the truth of Numbers 32:23, "Be sure your sin will find you out."

Some propose that Numbers 5:11-31 refers to God causing an abortion. The 2011 edition of the NIV mistakenly states that the drink will cause miscarriage in Numbers 5:21-22, 27. However, this is not what the passage is talking about. Pregnancy is nowhere mentioned, or even hinted at, in the text. The only thing that even sounds like pregnancy is the guilty wife’s stomach becoming bloated, but even in that instance, it has nothing to do with pregnancy. Further, the passage does not say that drinking the concoction would cause an abortion/miscarriage. While drinking a poisonous mixture of ingredients could very well cause a miscarriage, that is not what this text is speaking of.

If a wife was found guilty, the punishment was death (Leviticus 20:10). If the wife was found innocent, she would be “cleared of guilt” and “able to have children” (Numbers 5:28). So, again, Numbers 5:11-31 does not refer to abortion in any sense. Rather, it is describing a method that God allowed to be used to determine if a wife had committed adultery against her husband.
That's just your person opinion.
So why aren't male adulterers also commanded to drink a medication of "bitter water" and say "so be it, so be it" too if you believe that it is only about swollen stomachs and sore thighs given they also have stomachs and thighs?
And what is the fate of the pregnancy if the adulteress is pregnant when she drinks the "bitter water" medication, or is that determined after the commandment in Leviticus 20:10 is carried out?
 

J regia

Member
Stop babbling, old man, and get busy finding a reference to abortion in this:

20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:

21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;

22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water:

24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter.

25 Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the Lord, and offer it upon the altar:

26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.

27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.

28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.

That's just your personal opinion about upset stomachs and sore thighs. Alas, however, your argument wouldn't even convince a banana, let alone my cat.
 
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stiggywggy

Guest
So why aren't male adulterers also commanded to drink a medication of "bitter water" and say "so be it, so be it" too
Because no one asked them to.
if you believe that it is only about swollen stomachs and sore thighs given they also have stomachs and thighs?
And what is the fate of the pregnancy if the adulteress is pregnant when she drinks the "bitter water" medication, or is that determined after the commandment in Leviticus 20:10 is carried out?
What do bitter waters have to do with killing kids in the womb?
 
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stiggywggy

Guest
That's just your personal opinion about upset stomachs and sore thighs. Alas, however, your argument wouldn't even convince a banana, let alone my cat.
There is no argument. Just your failure to find a command to butcher kids in the womb.
 

Beloved Daughter

Active member
That's just your person opinion.
So why aren't male adulterers also commanded to drink a medication of "bitter water" and say "so be it, so be it" too if you believe that it is only about swollen stomachs and sore thighs given they also have stomachs and thighs?
And what is the fate of the pregnancy if the adulteress is pregnant when she drinks the "bitter water" medication, or is that determined after the commandment in Leviticus 20:10 is carried out?

It's not my personal opinion. I simply choose to use a legitimate Bible instead of the mega liberal CEB. Let's see who translated it.

https://www.commonenglishbible.com/explore

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The Common English Bible is a distinct new imprint and brand for Bibles and reference products about the Bible. The translators and editors that worked on the Bible are from various denominations and locations around the world. Publishing and marketing offices are located in Nashville, Tennessee. The CEB translation was funded by the Church Resources Development Corp, which allows for cooperation among denominational publishers in the development and distribution of Bibles, curriculum, and worship materials. The Common English Bible Committee meets periodically and consists of denominational publishers from the following denominations: Disciples of Christ (Chalice Press); Presbyterian Church U.S.A. (Westminster John Knox Press); Episcopal Church (Church Publishing Inc); United Church of Christ (Pilgrim Press); and United Methodist Church (Abingdon Press). Abingdon Press is the sales distribution partner for the CEB.

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Here are the denominations that support abortion:

The Episcopal Church
Evangelical Lutherans
United Methodist Church
Presbyterian Church USA
United Church of Christ.
Disciples of Christ.

I didn't provide links because there are too many for the CARM forums. You can however find their beliefs by doing a simple search.

The CEB is not a legitimate Bible. It demonstrates a clear bias.
 
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