The Only Begotten Son- Unique and One of a kind !

civic

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MONOGENÊS- There is no one like Him- Jesus is UNIQUE, the Only One !

BAGD:
"In the Johannine lit[erature] m[onogenês] is used only of Jesus. The mngs. only, unique may be quite adequate for all its occurrences here...But some (e.g., WBauer, Hdb.) prefer to regard m[onogenês] as somewhat heightened in mng. in J and 1J to only-begotten or begotten of the Only One." (Bauer, it will be remembered, believed the Gospel of John was a gnostic text, and hence saw a theology behind John's writing compatible with the creation of the Logos as a semi-divine intermediary between the Monas and the creation with which He could not directly interact).

Louw & Nida: "Pertaining to what is unique in the sense of being the only one of the same kind or class - 'unique, only.'"

Moulton & Milligan: "Literally 'one of a kind,' 'only,' 'unique' (unicus), not 'only-begotten....'"

Grimm/Thayer: "Single of its kind, only, [A.V. only-begotten]." (Note that Thayer's insertion merely cites the KJV translation, which owes considerable debt to the Vulgate of Jerome, who translated monogenês "unigenitus").

NIDNTT: "The only begotten, or only....RSV and NEB render monogenês as 'only.' This meaning is supported by R. E. Brown, The Gospel According to John, Anchor Bible, I, 1966, 13 f., and D. Moody, “God’s Only Son: The Translation of John 3:16 in the Revised Standard Version,” JBL 72, 1953, 213-19. Lit. it means “of a single kind,” and could even be used in this sense of the Phoenix (1 Clem. 25:2). It is only distantly related to gennao, beget. The idea of “only begotten” goes back to Jerome who used unigenitus in the Vulg. to counter the Arian claim that Jesus was not begotten but made."

Newman: "Unique, only."

LSJ: "Only, single" (references John 1:14, the only NT verse cited).

TDNT: defines monogenês as "only begotten," but distinguishes between nouns ending in -genes and adverbs ending in -genês. The former denote the source of the derivation, the latter the nature of the derivation. Thus, the author (Buchsel) concludes that monogenês means "of sole descent." But Pendrick argues strongly against this view:



NT:3439

monogenes (‎monogenh/$‎, NT:3439) is used five times, all in the writings of the apostle John, of Christ as the Son of God; it is translated "only begotten" in Heb 11:17 of the relationship of Isaac to Abraham.

With reference to Christ, the phrase "the only begotten from the Father," John 1:14, RV (see also the marg.), indicates that as the Son of God He was the sole representative of the Being and character of the One who sent Him. In the original the definite article is omitted both before "only begotten" and before "Father," and its absence in each case serves to lay stress upon the characteristics referred to in the terms used. The apostle's object is to demonstrate what sort of glory it was that he and his fellow apostles had seen. That he is not merely making a comparison with earthly relationships is indicated by para, "from." The glory was that of a unique relationship and the word "begotten" does not imply a beginning of His Sonship. It suggests relationship indeed, but must be distinguished from generation as applied to man.

We can only rightly understand the term "the only begotten" when used of the Son, in the sense of unoriginated relationship. "The begetting is not an event of time, however remote, but a fact irrespective of time. The Christ did not become, but necessarily and eternally is the Son. He, a Person, possesses every attribute of pure Godhood. This necessitates eternity, absolute being; in this respect He is not 'after' the Father" (Moule). The expression also suggests the thought of the deepest affection, as in the case of the OT word yachid, variously rendered, "only one," Gen 22:2,12; "only son," Jer 6:26; Amos 8:10; Zech 12:10; "only beloved," Prov 4:3, and "darling," Ps 22:20; 35:17.

In John 1:18 the clause "the only begotten son, which is in the bosom of the Father," expresses both His eternal union with the Father in the Godhead and the ineffable intimacy and love between them, the Son sharing all the Father's counsels and enjoying all His affections. Another reading is monogenes Theos, "God only-begotten." In John 3:16 the statement, "God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son," must not be taken to mean that Christ became the only begotten son by incarnation. The value and the greatness of the gift lay in the Sonship of Him who was given. His Sonship was not the effect of His being given. In John 3:18 the phrase "the name of the only begotten son of God" lays stress upon the full revelation of God's character and will, His love and grace, as conveyed in the name of One who, being in a unique relationship to Him, was provided by Him as the object of faith. In 1 John 4:9 the statement "God hath sent His only begotten son into the world" does not mean that God sent out into the world one who at His birth in Bethlehem had become His Son. Cf. the parallel statement, "God sent forth the Spirit of His Son," Gal 4:6, RV, which could not mean that God sent forth One who became His Spirit when He sent Him.(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.)

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Stephen

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Jesus is unique.

Just like Jepthah's daughter was unique.

Just like Isaac was unique.

All three were special to their fathers.


At least two of the three (Jesus and Isaac) were not the eldest children of their father, but rather were one of many children and were the special child. Isaac was the unique son of Abraham, though he was the second of many sons, and likewise Jesus is the unique son of God, though he is not the eldest, yet one of many sons and daughters.


Amen.
 

civic

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Here is what separates The monogenes ( The One and Only Son of God)from the rest of the crowd.

Below we see the names, titles and descriptions of the UNIQUE, One of a Kind Son of God over all others who might be called a son of god.

The Word who was God
Savior of the World
Lord
Lord God
Lord and God
Messiah
God
YHWH-John 12:41
I Am- YHWH see John chapter 8
True God
True God and Eternal Life
Alpha and Omega
I Am the First and the Last
The Beginning and the End
The Almighty
The Lamb
The Lamb of God
The Word of God
Eternal Life
Life
Creator of all things
The Good Shepherd
Shepherd
The Resurrection and the Life
The Truth
The Way
True Light
Light of the world
Savior
Only Begotten God
Only Begotten Son
The Bread of Life
The Gate
The Door
The King of the Jews
The King of Israel
The King
Life is found in Him
Faith in Him results in Eternal Life
The Scriptures are all about Him(Old Testament)
Lord of the Sabbath
Whatever the Father does, that I also do
Knows the hearts and thoughts of man
Raised the dead
Raised Himself from the dead
Forgave sin
Sinless
Holy One
Worshiped as God
Answers prayer as God
Dwells in all believers- omnipresent
Worshiped by angels
Worshiped by believers
Worshiped by those He healed
Worshiped by all creation
Worshiped together with the Father by all creation
Shares the Fathers Throne
Receives latereo and pronousko- worship due God alone
Faithful and True
Living One
Who was, is and is to come
King of Kings
Lord of Lords
Lion of the tribe of Judah
Morning Star
Holds the keys of death and hades
Song of the Lamb
Praised by all creation
Honored by all creation
Glorified by all creation
All creation sings praise to Him
Advocate
God manifest in the flesh
Almighty
Mighty God
Everlasting Father
Author and Finisher of our faith
The Beginning
Wonderful counselor
Prince of Peace
Immanuel
God with us
Our Great God and Savior
God and Savior
Lord and Savior
Only Sovereign
One Lord
Only Lord
Lord over all
Lord God Almighty
God forever praised
God over all
Bridegroom
Lord from heaven
King of Glory
Lord God Almighty
Lord our Righteousness
Lord Jesus Christ
Lord Jesus Christ our Savior
Lord of Glory
Chief Shepherd
Chief Cornerstone
Rock of Offence
Stumbling Block
The Holy One of Israel
Prophet
Master
Master and Lord
Mediator
Advocate
Propitiation
Prince of Life
Redeemer
Image of God

And I can add many more to this list !

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Theo1689

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Jesus is unique.

Just like Jepthah's daughter was unique.

Just like Isaac was unique.

All three were special to their fathers.


At least two of the three (Jesus and Isaac) were not the eldest children of their father, but rather were one of many children and were the special child. Isaac was the unique son of Abraham, though he was the second of many sons, and likewise Jesus is the unique son of God, though he is not the eldest, yet one of many sons and daughters.


Amen.

Um... Which "son of God" do you think is older than Jesus?!
 

civic

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Nice try but all things were created by and through the Son. See John 1:1-4, Colossians 1. Hebrews 1 and 1 Corinthians 8:6.

Any thing else I can help you with understanding about the Sons pre existence ?
 

Stephen

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Here is what separates The monogenes ( The One and Only Son of God)from the rest of the crowd.

Below we see the names, titles and descriptions of the UNIQUE, One of a Kind Son of God over all others who might be called a son of god.

The Word who was God - Your bible has a few extra words in it
Savior of the World - Noah did this. It is also Joseph's Egyptian name
Lord - Multitudes were called "Lord"
Messiah - Aaron and David were "Messiah"
I Am- YHWH see John chapter 8 - The blind man bore this title in John 9
Shepherd - The Kings of Israel
Savior - Many are called Savior
Only Begotten God - A begotten God. What kind of polytheism are you promoting.
Only Begotten Son - Duh.
The King of the Jews - David
The King of Israel - David
The King - David
Raised the dead - Lazarus Anybody?
Raised Himself from the dead - Not stated in scripture
Forgave sin - Like we are (See Lord's prayer)
Answers prayer as God - Your bible has alot of extra words in it
Shares the Fathers Throne - And we will share his (See letter to Laodecia)
Receives latereo and pronousko- worship due God alone - You really haven't looked those words up have you
King of Kings - A title born by Persian kings
Lord of Lords- A contradiction to a previous claim of being "Lord" as unique as there are many Lords
Lion of the tribe of Judah - Othniel
Morning Star - Lucifer?
Immanuel - A child was named that before Pekah and Rezin were defeated

Wow. That was alot of scripture mangling.



And I can add many more to this list !

hope this helps !!!

The ability to creatively mangle the scriptures on a voluminous scale is not an asset.
 

Stephen

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Nice try but all things were created by and through the Son. See John 1:1-4, Colossians 1. Hebrews 1 and 1 Corinthians 8:6.

Any thing else I can help you with understanding about the Sons pre existence ?

None of those passages say that Jesus is the first son of God. Luke 3 spells it out plainly, Adam came before Jesus.


Are you attempting to promote the idea that Adam isn't the first man, but rather Jesus is the first man?
 

civic

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None of those passages say that Jesus is the first son of God. Luke 3 spells it out plainly, Adam came before Jesus.


Are you attempting to promote the idea that Adam isn't the first man, but rather Jesus is the first man?
John 17:5 the Son declares that He(the Son) was together with the Father BEFORE the world existed. This coincides perfectly with the other passages I quoted regarding the Son and His Eternality.

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Stephen

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John 17:5 the Son declares that He(the Son) was together with the Father BEFORE the world existed. This coincides perfectly with the other passages I quoted regarding the Son and His Eternality.

hope this helps !!!

So despite the direct declarations in scripture that Adam is the first man, you wish to claim that Jesus is the first man.

I'm not sure what you wish to make of John 17:5. Are you trying to interpret John 17:5 as meaning Jesus existed in all eternity, but at the same time, when the same language is used of Christians in Ephesians 1:3-4, interpret it to mean Christians did not exist in all eternity? As it says, He [God] chose us in him [Christ] before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him.


Luke 3 puts everything in literal order . Matthew 1 does the same thing. Adam came first. Jesus came after many generations.
 

Stephen

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Just to note, God says of Jesus in approximately 1,000 BC

I will be a father to him, and he will be my son - 2 Sam 7:14

Likewise, during the life of Christ

You are my Son, this day have I begotten you. - Psalm 2:7 applied to Jesus in Heb 1:5, Heb 5:5, Acts 13:33



Jesus became the son of God on a certain day. And that day was looooooong after Adam was the son of God.
 

civic

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So despite the direct declarations in scripture that Adam is the first man, you wish to claim that Jesus is the first man.

I'm not sure what you wish to make of John 17:5. Are you trying to interpret John 17:5 as meaning Jesus existed in all eternity, but at the same time, when the same language is used of Christians in Ephesians 1:3-4, interpret it to mean Christians did not exist in all eternity? As it says, He [God] chose us in him [Christ] before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him.


Luke 3 puts everything in literal order . Matthew 1 does the same thing. Adam came first. Jesus came after many generations.
No the Son EXISTED before the first man was created.
 
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