Temujin
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You are sticking your nose into a conversation I am having with someone else. Inane is all that person understands. Abuse seems to be all you are capable of, sock puppet.
The only form of birth control that’s 100% effective is abstinence.
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Its all you deserve bonzo
Authentic Nouveau
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Ugly ignorant pro-deathers argue with a Doc.
Using the standard atheist trick of word games.
Pro-abortion apologists with no credentials and hatred for humanity.
Eightcrackers
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And the only 100%-effective way to avoid being hit by a car is to never go outside.
Abstinence only works if you have the mental control, and if they don't, telling them to abstain is pointless.
They never seem to promote it as a choice either.
Sterilization then? Why isn't sterilization being offered as an option? I'm actually kind of surprised because so many people really don't want to have children. A lot of men are getting their tubes tied, but doctors tend to be reluctant to tie a woman's tubes until they've had a baby.
Death is 100% effective.
Isolation is also 100% effective.
Eightcrackers
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Do you see a lot of campaigning/lobbying for abortions to be forced on women?
I don't...
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Strawman argument. I was referring to abstinence.
Plenty of cars plow into houses.
Agreed, which seems to present us with an argument or sterilization.
Eightcrackers
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And I am fully in favour of voluntary sterilization as another option.
Crass as this may sound, plenty of men plough into women... are you opposed to abortions in cases of rape?
I'm opposed to making the exception the rule. If a woman can't be bothered to report, and undergo an examination as well as have her womb scraped or any of the other alternatives to prevent pregnancy from taking place, then she should not have an abortion.
Eightcrackers
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Then you are in favour of the law forcing a woman to carry her rapist's child to term?
If so, that's the most loathsome viewpoint I can imagine.
Yep.
So you have no imagination. So what?
People are being forced to take experimental gene therapies for the good of society. The same argument can be made that killing innocent babies is not good for society. It turns societies into barbarians.
Murdering unborn babies is pretty loathsome, but coming up with justifications for murder is downright contemptible.
Eightcrackers
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Well, at least you own it.
Would you be prepared to hold a placard to that effect outside a rape crisis centre?
IF YOU ARE PREGNANT, TOUGH - YOU CARRY THAT RAPE-BABY ALL THE WAY!
Electric Skeptic
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Not one, nor can you cite a single such.
Why would I want to waste my time with that? If I thought it would make a difference, I'd rather invest my time lobbying for more stringent regulations prohibiting those who are too lazy to report rapists, or their own rape to authorities, and deal with the possibility of conception before it happens rather than waiting until the taxpayer has to foot the bill.
Eightcrackers
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Let's say a first-time victim reports the rape and takes every prosecutorial avenue open to her - would you allow her to abort then?
That's not the main point. The main point is that she take every preventative avenue open to her to prevent conception from taking place as soon as possible. Waiting six months, and then showing up to have an abortion is idiotic. She should be sterilized.
I suspect that a whole lot of women these days would jump at the chance to be freed from the onerous task of being responsible for utilizing any and all forms of contraception. Instead of going through a quite burdensome process of killing and extracting a dead baby from their body repeatedly, how many would love to have one simple out patient surgery that allows them to have all the worry free sex they could ever want?
Think of the savings in time, and money this would produce, along with the exponential reduction in hundreds of thousands of abortions. Over time, we're talking about millions upon millions of abortions that would never happen; a win/win.
Eightcrackers
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But if life beings at conception, isn't post-rape sterilization the same as abortion, if she happens to be pregnant?
I agree completely. And I think not only that it should be free, it should be incentivized by the government. Or, at least, the incentives that come with having children should be removed - no tax breaks, no free child care, not even "parent and child" parking spaces.
If you can't afford children off your own back, you don't get to have them, IMO.
In this particular case, I wasn't referring to sterilization.
No. It's highly unlikely, and impossible to discern. Compare that to a fully formed living baby being cut to pieces.