The origin of the KJVO myth...

robycop3

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The Origin of the Current KJVO myth
By robycop3

Ever wonder where KJVO-the false doctrine that the KJV is the only valid English Bible translation out there came from? Here's the skinny:

In 1930, a 7th Day Adventist official, Dr. Benjamin Wilkinson(1872-1968), published a book he named "Our Authorized Bible Vindicated" in response to a squabble within the SDA cult. This book is a collection of snippets in favor of the KJV of God's holy word, and is full of goofs, such as the "Psalm 12:6-7 thingie". Apparently, Wilkinson didn't bother to check 0ut the VERACITY of any of the info he gathered. And he copied PARTS of Dean John Burgon's writings, omitting anything that was critical of the Textus Receptus.

He obtained a Scottish copyright for this book, which he apparently allowed to lapse many years ago, as interest in his book was mostly limited to the SDA cult, and for only a short time.

There's no doubt that SDA is a pseudo/quasi-Christian cult, and that Dr. W was a full-fledged SDA official, teacher, and preacher, who often argued for the inerrancy of Ellen Gould White's writings, placing them on a par with Scripture. Several SDA buildings and libraries are named after him.

In 1955, someone called J. J. Ray of Eugene, OR discovered that book, and wrote his/her own book, "God Wrote Only One Bible". Ray copied much of Dr. W's book verbatim in GWOOB without acknowledging him whatsoever, copying many of the goofs in Dr. W's book. Whether Ray obtained Dr. W's permission to use his book, or simply plagiarized it is unknown, but at any rate, Ray used the power of modern media to publicize his/her book, thus starting the idea of KJVO among some of the general public.

Now, try Googling "J. J. Ray" in the Eugene, OR. area. The only one I've found whose lifetime fit the 1955 timeline was a used-car salesman, now deceased, who apparently never published any book. Ray's company, Eye-Opener Publishers, only published that one book. Apparently, "J. J. Ray" is a pseudonym. Now, why would any REAL MAN(or woman) OF GOD use a pseudonym? Apparently, "Ray" was concerned that Dr. W might speak out about his plagiarism.

Then, in 1970, Dr. D. O. Fuller, a Baptist pastor, published "Which Bible?"(3rd revision, 1972), a book which copied much from both Ray and Wilkinson, including many of the original goofs. Like W and Ray before him, he didn't bother to check out the VERACITY of the material he published. And, while he at least acknowledged W, he made absolutely NO mention of W's CULT AFFILIATION. It was this book which brought the public's attention, especially in Baptist circles, to the other two boox, and to KJVO in general. Soon, a whole genre was developed of KJVO boox, all of which drew a large portion of their material from those first three boox.

Now, while Ray's plagiarism and Fuller's deliberate omission of W's CULT AFFILIATION might've been legal, it was certainly DISHONEST, not something any devout Christian would do!

Now, I have not forgotten Dr. Peter S. Ruckman's 1964 works, "Manuscript Evidence" and "Bible Babel". These goof-filled worx was derived largely from Wilkinson's and Ray's books, repeating many of their booboos, such as the "Psalm 12:6-7 thingie". and copying an erroneous chart from Ray's book. Ruckman referred to the title of Ray's book as "God Only Wrote One Book", which hints at the inaccuracy of Ruckman's work. However, Ruckman's works was not among the "foundation stones" of the KJVO myth, as were Ray's and Fuller's boox, both derived from Wilkinson's book.

Virtually every current KJVO author, from Riplinger to Bynum to Melton to Grady to whomever, uses material from those first three boox in their own work, often re-worded, but still the same garbage in a different dumpster. About the only newer material in any of these boox is their criticism of newer Bible versions as they came out. We see a pattern of DISHONESTY in KJVO authorship, as many of its authors copy from each other without any acknowledgement, all of them drawing from a KNOWN CULT OFFICIAL'S book! HOW CAN ANY CHRISTIAN, SEEING ALL THIS DISHONESTY AND ATTEMPTS TO CONCEAL OR JUSTIFY IT, BELIEVE KJVO IS FROM GOD?

These facts are easily verified, either on the Internet or in most public libraries. Unlike KJVOs, we Freedom Readers deal in VERIFIABLE FACT, not fishing stories, opinion, and guesswork. All the boox I mentioned are available online legally, in public libraries, many religious bookstores, or are for sale at various web sites of many religious book stores.

Thus, you see why I, and many other Christians who try to serve God in all aspects of life, are so vehemently against the KJVO myth! It's Satanic in origin, definitely NOT FROM GOD!

I challenge any KJVO to show us any book written before 1930 that is largely about KJVO, and which can be traced to having started the current KJVO doctrine.
 

robycop3

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The KJVO has the burden of proof for his doctrine, as he makes a positive assertions that the KJV is the only valid English Bible translation, and that it's perfect. The Freedom Reader denies the veracity of the KJVO claims, so the KJVO must prove his assertions correct to shift the burden of proof to the Freedom Reader.

The Freedom Reader's first defense is actually the ace of trumps - that the KJVO myth doesn't have one word of Scriptural support. We Christians don't believe any doctrine of faith/worship that doesn't come from Scripture, and KJVO certainly doesn't! Its MAN-MADE origin is well-known, & has been published on many sites. That fact alone effectively kills the KJVO myth's veracity.


The KJVO myth asserts that the KJV is the ONLY valid English Bible translation out there, and that it is perfect. We shall first prove the KJV is NOT perfect.
A glaring error in the KJV is "Easter" in Acts 12:4. First, EASTER DIDN'T EXIST when Luke wrote "Acts". Second, if it HAD then existed, neither Herod nor the Jews he was trying to please would've observed it, as they didn't believe Jesus had been resurrected. The TRUTH is, Herod was waiting for PASSOVER, then ongoing, to be finished. And passover, ACCORDING TO GOD HIMSELF, is seven days long. That's proven in Ezekiel 45:21, a direct quote of GOD HIMSELF: “In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, you shall observe the Passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten."

Furthermore, John 18:28 supports this fact: "Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning. But they themselves did not go into the [a]Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might EAT THE PASSOVER." Now, the paschal lambs had already been eaten the previous evening, so the 'passover' cited here could only be the special unleavened meals to be eaten all week. So, there's no question that passover was ongoing when Peter was busted.


Then, there's the KJV's 1 Tim. 6:10, "the love of money is THE root of ALL evil". While Koine Greek has an equivalent for the English "the", it does not have one for the English "a", so English must supply it for the sentence to make sense in English. But the Greek does NOT have that connecting word between "est(as) & "rhizo" (root).Therefore, "THE root" is incorrect. Also, the Greek "pas", rendered 'all' in this verse in the KJV generally means 'some of all kinds or sorts', so MODERN English Bibles render the passage as "the love of money is A root of ALL SORTS of evil", which reality fits perfectly.

Then, there's Exodus 20:13, "Thou shalt not KILL." The Hebrew 'ratsach', here rendered 'kill', generally refers to murder or wrongful killing. This KJV mistake has caused controversy & protests for many years, including "conscientious objectors" to military service, & protests at execution sites. Again, modern versions correctly render this verse as "You shall not MURDER."

And, there's NO MANUSCRIPT SUPPORT for the words "and shalt be" in Rev. 16:5.

And this is but a short list of the KJV's goofs & booboos.While it's an excellent translation, it's far-from-perfect!
 

praise_yeshua

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"Onlyism" has its roots in the sinful pride of men and is as old as man himself. It just finds it way into various religious teachings from time to time.

It is a used a means to create a distinction wherein the "believer" is distinctly "set apart" from every other believer. Human beings seek and desperately desire to appear superior to their fellowman.

Such teachings and desires are contrary the message of the Gospel. The Gospel makes all men equal. The Gospel challenges and reveals our inner most desires.

King James wanted "HIS Bible". He got what he wanted.
 

CES1951

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Roby.....while I don't agree whatsoever with KJVO, you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with it. Well....as they say...."whatever floats your boat". Just seems like you should win the.....


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praise_yeshua

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Roby.....while I don't agree whatsoever with KJVO, you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with it. Well....as they say...."whatever floats your boat". Just seems like you should win the.....


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I don't believe you and robo is just pointing out the obvious. That isn't being obsessed. Which there is nothing wrong with obsessing upon Truth.
 

CES1951

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I don't believe you and robo is just pointing out the obvious. That isn't being obsessed. Which there is nothing wrong with obsessing upon Truth.
He posts on forum after forum about KJVO, and has for years. Just seems there are better ways to spend your time than that. How many years do you need to beat a topic to death?
 

robycop3

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He posts on forum after forum about KJVO, and has for years. Just seems there are better ways to spend your time than that. How many years do you need to beat a topic to death?
I post against the KJVO myth on KJVO forums. I post against JWs, LDS, SDA, etc. on cult forums. I post against preterism on pret forums. I post about history on history forums. I guess you just read those with KJVO sub-forums, etc. But here, it's KJVO, which I know is false, so I post against it.
 

praise_yeshua

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He posts on forum after forum about KJVO, and has for years. Just seems there are better ways to spend your time than that. How many years do you need to beat a topic to death?

I've been doing similar for many many years. Not too many left arguing about it.

He can walk and chew gum at the same time. I can too.
 

praise_yeshua

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^^^^ Exactly my point......nobody is talking about it anymore, except maybe you two......you're both still beating a horse that's been dead for a long time now.
Sounds like you want someone to stop something that's bothering you... TMJ.

Like I said. I don't believe you. I'm glad its not a sin to "beat a dead horse"... metaphorically speaking.
 

Sherman

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I am a person who has the misfortune of having KJVO in my family. I have seen the web of lies first hand. One of the biggest proponents of this view is the publisher Chick Publications. If you do your research you see that this company has been in bed with some pretty slimy characters.
 

robycop3

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^^^^ Exactly my point......nobody is talking about it anymore, except maybe you two......you're both still beating a horse that's been dead for a long time now.
Well, actually, & unfortunately, that horse is quite-alive in some areas & groups. I'm an indy fundy Baptist, & many of their congregations are infected with the KJVO myth. Wish it was as dead as smallpox, but it's still out there.
 

praise_yeshua

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I am a person who has the misfortune of having KJVO in my family. I have seen the web of lies first hand. One of the biggest proponents of this view is the publisher Chick Publications. If you do your research you see that this company has been in bed with some pretty slimy characters.
Yep. Chick has been around a long time promoting their preferences. People pay them good money to print them. It is a good business for them and they "tithe". It is a "win win" for all involved... Well. Until Jesus gets a hold of them.
 

praise_yeshua

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Well, actually, & unfortunately, that horse is quite-alive in some areas & groups. I'm an indy fundy Baptist, & many of their congregations are infected with the KJVO myth. Wish it was as dead as smallpox, but it's still out there.
You need to abandon them too Roby...
 

Sherman

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Yep. Chick has been around a long time promoting their preferences. People pay them good money to print them. It is a good business for them and they "tithe". It is a "win win" for all involved... Well. Until Jesus gets a hold of them.
Smells like - feels like they are about money - what makes them money. Here's a rogue's gallery of some of the writers
Kent Hovind - did jail time for Tax evasion
Alberto Rivera - this slimy fellow was never a catholic priest - in fact he was married during the time he claimed to be a priest.

John Todd - the worst of the bunch - convicted rapist. He also was convicted of statutory rape. He was also Oneness - placing him outside of Christianity. What in a world was Chick Publications doing with this guy?!
 

G Q

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Smells like - feels like they are about money - what makes them money. Here's a rogue's gallery of some of the writers
Kent Hovind - did jail time for Tax evasion
Alberto Rivera - this slimy fellow was never a catholic priest - in fact he was married during the time he claimed to be a priest.

John Todd - the worst of the bunch - convicted rapist. He also was convicted of statutory rape. He was also Oneness - placing him outside of Christianity. What in a world was Chick Publications doing with this guy?!
Some people will believe anything and that is why they fall for the slanderous propaganda against John Todd, Jack Chick, and Alberto Rivera without considering the sources and without delving into doing any actual research themselves as they become unequally yoked with other deceived and deceiving hereticks.

When I read through these posts, I was thinking about how the process is started that leads to severe bullying of kids in schools. It all starts with one person not liking a certain kid, and begin with the nasty name calling and accusations. The rumors spread like wild fire and nearly the whole school, of other kids, turn against the victim, and the torment rages out of control leaving the victim scarred for life. The same is an analogy of how true it is of the results of how Roman Catholic Church spent millions of dollars to slander Jack Chick., so they could continue on with the Ecumenical Movement. While the masses slumber and believe the lies that have been set before them, the Roman Catholic Church recently set up the image of the idol of Moloch just before the C-19 outbreak, while Pope Francis has called for all religions to come together as one, including the Hindus, Buddhists, Baha'i, Islam, Confucianism, and many more, while in the meantime, the Church of Satan has been granted 501c3 Tax Status by the Internal Revenue Service, and have taken on a more prominent and public role of having a say in Government, which has representatives from Hindu, Muslims, and Buddhist religions serving in Congress as all are deceived into bending the knee to Baal. Chicktracts has done excellent work at exposing the conspiracy against the King James Bible, as well as proving that the so-called Modern Translations come from the R.C.C., but the slanderers will only come together to trash them as they have always done, stumbling souls along the way as they do the works of the Devil.
 

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The Origin of the Current KJVO myth
By robycop3

Ever wonder where KJVO-the false doctrine that the KJV is the only valid English Bible translation out there came from? Here's the skinny:

In 1930, a 7th Day Adventist official, Dr. Benjamin Wilkinson(1872-1968), published a book he named "Our Authorized Bible Vindicated" in response to a squabble within the SDA cult. This book is a collection of snippets in favor of the KJV of God's holy word, and is full of goofs, such as the "Psalm 12:6-7 thingie". Apparently, Wilkinson didn't bother to check 0ut the VERACITY of any of the info he gathered. And he copied PARTS of Dean John Burgon's writings, omitting anything that was critical of the Textus Receptus.

He obtained a Scottish copyright for this book, which he apparently allowed to lapse many years ago, as interest in his book was mostly limited to the SDA cult, and for only a short time.

There's no doubt that SDA is a pseudo/quasi-Christian cult, and that Dr. W was a full-fledged SDA official, teacher, and preacher, who often argued for the inerrancy of Ellen Gould White's writings, placing them on a par with Scripture. Several SDA buildings and libraries are named after him.

In 1955, someone called J. J. Ray of Eugene, OR discovered that book, and wrote his/her own book, "God Wrote Only One Bible". Ray copied much of Dr. W's book verbatim in GWOOB without acknowledging him whatsoever, copying many of the goofs in Dr. W's book. Whether Ray obtained Dr. W's permission to use his book, or simply plagiarized it is unknown, but at any rate, Ray used the power of modern media to publicize his/her book, thus starting the idea of KJVO among some of the general public.

Now, try Googling "J. J. Ray" in the Eugene, OR. area. The only one I've found whose lifetime fit the 1955 timeline was a used-car salesman, now deceased, who apparently never published any book. Ray's company, Eye-Opener Publishers, only published that one book. Apparently, "J. J. Ray" is a pseudonym. Now, why would any REAL MAN(or woman) OF GOD use a pseudonym? Apparently, "Ray" was concerned that Dr. W might speak out about his plagiarism.

Then, in 1970, Dr. D. O. Fuller, a Baptist pastor, published "Which Bible?"(3rd revision, 1972), a book which copied much from both Ray and Wilkinson, including many of the original goofs. Like W and Ray before him, he didn't bother to check out the VERACITY of the material he published. And, while he at least acknowledged W, he made absolutely NO mention of W's CULT AFFILIATION. It was this book which brought the public's attention, especially in Baptist circles, to the other two boox, and to KJVO in general. Soon, a whole genre was developed of KJVO boox, all of which drew a large portion of their material from those first three boox.

Now, while Ray's plagiarism and Fuller's deliberate omission of W's CULT AFFILIATION might've been legal, it was certainly DISHONEST, not something any devout Christian would do!

Now, I have not forgotten Dr. Peter S. Ruckman's 1964 works, "Manuscript Evidence" and "Bible Babel". These goof-filled worx was derived largely from Wilkinson's and Ray's books, repeating many of their booboos, such as the "Psalm 12:6-7 thingie". and copying an erroneous chart from Ray's book. Ruckman referred to the title of Ray's book as "God Only Wrote One Book", which hints at the inaccuracy of Ruckman's work. However, Ruckman's works was not among the "foundation stones" of the KJVO myth, as were Ray's and Fuller's boox, both derived from Wilkinson's book.

Virtually every current KJVO author, from Riplinger to Bynum to Melton to Grady to whomever, uses material from those first three boox in their own work, often re-worded, but still the same garbage in a different dumpster. About the only newer material in any of these boox is their criticism of newer Bible versions as they came out. We see a pattern of DISHONESTY in KJVO authorship, as many of its authors copy from each other without any acknowledgement, all of them drawing from a KNOWN CULT OFFICIAL'S book! HOW CAN ANY CHRISTIAN, SEEING ALL THIS DISHONESTY AND ATTEMPTS TO CONCEAL OR JUSTIFY IT, BELIEVE KJVO IS FROM GOD?

These facts are easily verified, either on the Internet or in most public libraries. Unlike KJVOs, we Freedom Readers deal in VERIFIABLE FACT, not fishing stories, opinion, and guesswork. All the boox I mentioned are available online legally, in public libraries, many religious bookstores, or are for sale at various web sites of many religious book stores.

Thus, you see why I, and many other Christians who try to serve God in all aspects of life, are so vehemently against the KJVO myth! It's Satanic in origin, definitely NOT FROM GOD!

I challenge any KJVO to show us any book written before 1930 that is largely about KJVO, and which can be traced to having started the current KJVO doctrine.
Why did you talk about the fact that the SDA has their own re-written Bible called the "Clear Word Bible"? Or is this just a biased attack against the King James Bible? With all of the years that you have spent on multiple Forums, claiming to expose the SDA while bashing the KJB, have you know anything about the deception of the SDA's re-written Clear Word Bible where they even altered scripture to deceive people into believing that Jesus is Michael the Archangel such as they did with Jude 1:9? Or do you conveniently and deliberately omit that major part of Seventh Day Adventist to stick with you own slant of deception against the KJB?

This is the SDA’s Clear Word (Re-Written) Bible's rendering of Jude 9 which says - "In contrast to these ungodly men is the Lord Jesus Christ, also called Michael, the archangel in charge of the entire angelic host. When He was challenged by Satan about His intentions to resurrect Moses, He didn't come against Satan with a blistering attack nor did he belittle him. He simply said, 'God rejects your claim to his body.'"
 
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