The origin of the KJVO myth...

BJ Bear

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Don't confuse being anti-KJV-ONLY with being anti-KJV, which seems to be easy to do.
Personally, I go with what the KJV translators said in "To the Reader", which used to be found in the front of the KJV. Loosely translated, it said, "The worst translation of the Word of God is still the Word of God."

--Rich
Well, that settles it. The writers of the preface didn't have a clue. :unsure:
 

GeneZ

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Don't confuse being anti-KJV-ONLY with being anti-KJV, which seems to be easy to do.
Personally, I go with what the KJV translators said in "To the Reader", which used to be found in the front of the KJV. Loosely translated, it said, "The worst translation of the Word of God is still the Word of God."

--Rich
No its not still the Word of God wherever there is inaccuracy. Its not the Word of God at that point. Error is not truth.

God gave us Bibles so that those who are filled with the Spirit would seek out those who are capable of teaching it with accuracy after the little they could extract on their own came to its end. The Bible is intended to cause a lot of unanswered questions. Questions that are to be answered by the pastor who is doing his job correctly. After having stumbled through reading for oneself, it should nurture an appreciation for a good pastor when he is found to clarify what used to perplex and confuse them.

Ever notice how people do not sit quietly in church just reading their Bibles as if it were a library? No.. they bring their bibles so that when the pastor teaches they can start with a point of reference to begin with. Unless we have the gift to be a Bible teacher, no one can be self taught without having many errors in ones own thinking.

Problems happen when ignorant men are teaching the ignorant. Cults start that way, and have. Some today are accepted mainstream.
 

GeneZ

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How silly! I don't believe in OSAS because it's plain that if a saint does a 180 & rejects Jesus, he has let go of Jesus & is lost.

King Saul did a 180 and rejected the Lord as he sought out the witch of Endor.

Yet, Samuel told Saul that he and his sons would be with Samuel the next day after they would be killed in battle.

Was Samuel to be found in Hell?
 

JDS

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I see NO KJVO has tried to deny the man-made origin of the KJVO myth. It was invented by Satan, who influenced certain men to write it & spread it.

The Anvil of God's Word​


“Last eve I paused beside the blacksmith’s door,
And heard the anvil ring the vesper chime;
Then looking in, I saw upon the floor,
Old hammers, worn with beating years of time.


“‘How many anvils have you had,’ said I,
‘To wear and batter all these hammers so?’
‘Just one,’ said he, and then with twinkling eye,
‘The anvil wears the hammers out, you know.’


“And so, I thought, the Anvil of God’s Word
For ages skeptic blows have beat upon;
Yet, though the noise of falling blows was heard,
The Anvil is unharmed, the hammers gone.”


—attributed to John Clifford​
 

logos1560

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Human KJV-only reasoning/teaching has not been demonstrated to be based soundly and solely on the anvil of God's Word. The modern KJV-only philosophy is not the same thing as the anvil of God's Word. KJV-only teaching depends upon the use of fallacies and includes traditions and opinions of men that are not taught in the Scriptures. While KJV-only advocates may appeal to the Bible doctrines of inspiration and preservation, their understanding of these doctrines is faulty, and they attempt to apply these doctrines inconsistently.

The hammer of human KJV-only teaching does not harm the anvil of God's Word that was given and preserved long before 1611. KJV-only false teaching may harm those who are deceived by it, but it does not harm God's Word.
 
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robycop3

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The Anvil of God's Word​


“Last eve I paused beside the blacksmith’s door,
And heard the anvil ring the vesper chime;
Then looking in, I saw upon the floor,
Old hammers, worn with beating years of time.


“‘How many anvils have you had,’ said I,
‘To wear and batter all these hammers so?’
‘Just one,’ said he, and then with twinkling eye,
‘The anvil wears the hammers out, you know.’


“And so, I thought, the Anvil of God’s Word
For ages skeptic blows have beat upon;
Yet, though the noise of falling blows was heard,
The Anvil is unharmed, the hammers gone.”


—attributed to John Clifford​
God's word was around long before the KJV was.
 

imJRR

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The Anvil of God's Word​


“Last eve I paused beside the blacksmith’s door,
And heard the anvil ring the vesper chime;
Then looking in, I saw upon the floor,
Old hammers, worn with beating years of time.


“‘How many anvils have you had,’ said I,
‘To wear and batter all these hammers so?’
‘Just one,’ said he, and then with twinkling eye,
‘The anvil wears the hammers out, you know.’


“And so, I thought, the Anvil of God’s Word
For ages skeptic blows have beat upon;
Yet, though the noise of falling blows was heard,
The Anvil is unharmed, the hammers gone.”


—attributed to John Clifford​

LOL! JDS - If you believe that this poem somehow demonstrates that KJVONLYism is true, you're wrong. The idea that this poem proves KJVONLYism to be true is totally in the realm of PURE FANTASY.
 

GeneZ

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Can we grow up now?

So far after living 72 years I have found that the KJVO people have a common element of naivete and gullibility... I also have found those traits with those who pray to Mary. Its not limited to just one dogma.

But! They are very clever in defending an evil that stands in the way of truly understanding God's Word. Its a paradox that leaves them to be without excuse.
 

robycop3

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LOL! JDS - If you believe that this poem somehow demonstrates that KJVONLYism is true, you're wrong. The idea that this poem proves KJVONLYism to be true is totally in the realm of PURE FANTASY.
KJVOs use it as they use the "Psalm 12:6-7 thingie" to try to say the KJVO myth is found in Scripture. (It is NOT!)
 

glenlogie

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Can we grow up now?

So far after living 72 years I have found that the KJVO people have a common element of naivete and gullibility... I also have found those traits with those who pray to Mary. Its not limited to just one dogma.

But! They are very clever in defending an evil that stands in the way of truly understanding God's Word. Its a paradox that leaves them to be without excuse.
Just only slightly younger than you, I find a certain portion of KJVOs unwilling to discuss the ramifications of questions that arise from a KJVO belief.
 

GeneZ

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Just only slightly younger than you, I find a certain portion of KJVOs unwilling to discuss the ramifications of questions that arise from a KJVO belief.

Each denomination I found attracts a certain type of personality...

Why we have denominations 101 -
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." 2 Tim 4:3​

The KJVO rationales serve as a trap used by Satan to hunt down a certain kind of "creature" to corral and to contain. To preoccupy 'so disposed' individuals with controversy, thus keeping them both comfortable in their self righteousness and far away from maturing in Christ.

Satan will supply teachers chock full of targeted chapters and verses for zealous ones,as long as it steers their souls away from what is essential in understanding to defeat him.

Jesus was not kidding when He said the way to "destruction" is broad and wide. For there are many variations to choose from. Religious unspiritual believers will seek out what suites their religious carnal mind and join the group.. Whereas, those who find the true way to live? They must face pressures and learning to fight with truth, as to push through the resistance, to the other side where the sun of God shines.

When Jesus said, "only a few find it." One does not attempt to win any popularity contest with believers. That is what one seeks when devising what to tell people that they would want to hear, not what they need to hear.

grace and peace ........
 

JDS

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Each denomination I found attracts a certain type of personality...

Why we have denominations 101 -
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." 2 Tim 4:3​
Have you been in a Christian book store lately? It is not the fundamentalists who are writing the books on theology and doctrines. Fundamentalists usually learn the bible doctrines in the local church from a special and faithful God appointed man called a pastor, who is given just to him to do the job. It is not KJV only believers writing all those books and teaching all those things. It would be difficult to find a KJV bible in most Christian book stores.

The KJV makes much more sense than your quote above, and is different. Read it here.

2Ti 4:1 I charge [thee] therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

One can heap books up by all kind of authors and read them one at a time, but in your verse one can not do what the verse charges because one can only process the voice of one teacher at a time. You guys turn your ears away from reproof, rebuke, and exhortation done by the preacher who is patiently preaching sound doctrine at the church house.
 

GeneZ

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Well there are Calvinist KJVOs. But I think I told you this awhile back.
He just needed another non-issue point to make, because those who promote KJVO never been exposed to sound exegesis before. My pastor is an expert exegete, and uses the KJV to open his lessons with. But, many times I have witnessed to corrections. Corrections that overflow in other modern translations as well, because making a translation into English would require a much more extensive wording to convey with accuracy what many modern translations (and the KJV) need to generalize to keep moving along. After all. If a pastor is well studied its his job to convey what is impossible for mere translations into English can not. Not unless one wants to carry a multi volume NT around with him...

But for those who are just starting out, a mainstream translation will accomplish enough good to sustain the baby Christian.
 

RiJoRi

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The Origin of the Current KJVO myth
By robycop3

Ever wonder where KJVO-the false doctrine that the KJV is the only valid English Bible translation out there came from? Here's the skinny:

In 1930, a 7th Day Adventist official, Dr. Benjamin Wilkinson(1872-1968), published a book he named "Our Authorized Bible Vindicated" in response to a squabble within the SDA cult.
Odd. I was over in the SDA forum, and saw a transcript of the SDA's president's speech. He was quoting from the NKJV. 😯 So seems that all Wilkinson's work is being ignored by his church. Huh...

--Rich
 

robycop3

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Odd. I was over in the SDA forum, and saw a transcript of the SDA's president's speech. He was quoting from the NKJV. 😯 So seems that all Wilkinson's work is being ignored by his church. Huh...

--Rich
SDAs have probs with ANY valid Bible version.
 

logos1560

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Have you been in a Christian book store lately?

Yes, I have been. The Christian bookstore in my city was owned by a KJV-only advocate who died and now his family probably owns it, and it only sells editions of the KJV with the exception of a reprint edition of the Geneva Bible, Matthew's Bible, and Tyndale's.
 

robycop3

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I can't help but marvel at the HYPOCRISY of some KJVOs. They offer no opposition to the origin of the current KJVO myth as presented in this thread, but they STILL go on BELIEVING that myth, while claiming to be Sola Scriptura. Plainly, the KJVO myth is NOT found in Scripture, even in the KJV itself. Many of us Freedom Readers have asked the KJVOs to provide Scriptural support for KJVO, & they either leave the discussion, remain silent, or give some nonsensical answer. They're just so in thrall to the KJVO myth that they can't leave it, no matter how many reasons they're given that it's false, reasons they can't begin to refute.

So, O KJVOs, lemme ask you an important question: You're obviously in thrall to the KJVO myth, which has been proven to be a lie, due to its total lack of Scriptural support, a fact that makes it a LIE The question is: WHO ARE YOU IN THRALL TO? As KJVO is a lie, remember who the FATHER OF LIES is ! ! Do you REALLY wish to remain in thrall to HIM?

If you prayerfully ask JESUS, He can break that thralldom & send the HOLY SPIRIT to teach you the TRUTH! After all, the Bible is HIS book!
 
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