the original Messianic Judaism?

Rachel Redux

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I finished thru season 2 recently - love it so far
some really amazing scenes!

I like the License they take with the characters, 'cuz it makes them interesting and relatable
if you ever want to chat about it here, go right ahead
Yes, the acting is great. My favorite scene was when Matthew was called to follow Jesus. It made me cry. 😭
 

e v e 21

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Eden was not upon this earth, but in the other world.
Adam caused what followed...working for the fallen angels...
including the creation of the current earth.. by plundering eden
vampiring us... this is the sin realm, and an abomination to God..
its adam's sin brought us to where we are now..
the current situation God warned of as DEATH.

the bodies here are a corruption
.. and cannot enter Paradise.

our original bodies are what scripture calls a temple of Him.
and are not these flesh ones, which are the idol.

and the nature of that original is what Christ showed us at His transfiguration
..the glorified body which all his 144k will receive soon.

why would Christ have any interest in these ape bodies...
for though temporarily allowed by God...
these bodies are not the original ones of Eden made by God.
 
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American Gothic

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I think we know who they are (prophets)
previous page list seems to have put together
early patriarchs who prophesied
with Hippolytus' listing of school runners

some not included and here taken from a supposed list from the Talmud (?)
David
Solomon
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Daniel (included by Me, not Judaism)
Ezra
Nehemiah

oddballs -
Phineas
Michaiah, son of Imlah
Aisling, of Carmel
Jehu, son of Hanani
Azariah, son of Oded
Jahaziel the Levite
Eliezer, son of Dodavahu
Micah, the Morashtite
Amoz
Uriah
Neriah
Seraiah
Mehseiah
Oded
Hanani

prophetesses -
Sarah
Miriam
Deborah
Hannah
Abigail
Huldah
Esther
 

American Gothic

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why would Christ have any interest in these ape bodies...
for though temporarily allowed by God...
these bodies are not the original ones of Eden made by God.
Hi Eve
I read an interesting comment somewhere recently about how
the fallen Angels might be slowly perishing in body as well
 

American Gothic

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Yes, the acting is great. My favorite scene was when Matthew was called to follow Jesus. It made me cry. 😭
many scenes just tug at yr heart strings - or put a smile on yr face
even the Romans are loveable characters
season 2 is adding Disciples and building intrigue about Jesus and the dynamics of the group and surrounding peoples
 

Rachel Redux

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many scenes just tug at yr heart strings - or put a smile on yr face
even the Romans are loveable characters
season 2 is adding Disciples and building intrigue about Jesus and the dynamics of the group and surrounding peoples
Yes...
They are starting filming of season three this month. I'm looking forward to it.
 

American Gothic

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on this DSS calendar https://dsscalendar.org/DSS-Greg.php?Y=2022
I thought it was a bid weird if the Last Supper was on Tuesday Nisan 14
because that would be like 4 days 'til Sunday, so would Jesus have been risen already on the Sabbath?
Sunday is the 19th

in a more than a decade old book Ken had the 14th possibly on a Thursday (then Fri, Sat, raised on Sunday)
but has since revised that due to new info

I had not noticed here in Matthew it says,
"Now on the first day of the feast of the Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying to Him, “Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?” Jews today referring to the whole week as "Passover"
so I wonder if the Jews and they were only doing a Seder/with a meal on the 15th Wednesday
then Thurs., Fri, Sabbath
and then He was found risen on the Sunday daytime

it seems to fit better if so
 

American Gothic

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Like Eve, I have an interest in Bodies

I argue that God has and Image and Voice
and this aspect of God has a Physicality

looking at 3rd Corinthians, a letter said to be from Paul
that didn't make it in the NT canon for the most part (I think it's in some, like the Armenian)
like John's letters, it's dealing with Gnosticism

for background, taken from the book I have about
some from Corinth wrote to Paul about some teachings that had crept in
that they thought were questionable and were seeking his advice
they said some were teaching that -

"We must not study the Old Testament prophets. God is not Almighty.
There is no resurrection of the flesh, but only of the spirit. Creation is not
God's work. The Lord did not come in the flesh. The Lord was not born
of Mary. The world was created by angels, and not God. Jesus was not
crucified, by only someone who looked like Him took His place. Jesus is not
in the lineage of King David."

-
part of what in this letter Paul is said to have written back -

"...but God,..not abandon(ing) His creation
sent the Holy Spirit to Mary the Galilean, who believed with all her heart...
(from) her womb...Jesus...entered the world, (here taking on the physicality of Mankind - ed.)
and even though the evil one believed that by the destruction of Jesus' flesh
he would continue to rule, by it he (Satan) was actually conquered, and put to shame
and shown to the world once and for all that he was not God.

For by His own body Jesus Christ saved all flesh, and brought it to eternal life thru faith,
that He might present a temple of righteousness in His own body, through whom we (the Believing)
are redeemed.
...this is why...the resurrection is proclaimed to all.
(We) are (or will be) raised again by the will of God in a body and clothed (in Righteousness?)
the body is not only raised up, but abundantly blessed.

And know how Jonah,..
after three days and three nights God (raised him)...
and no part of him was corrupted, not even an eyelid.
How much more, you of so little faith, (even only a mustard seed worth! Paul had previously mentioned seeds)
will He raise up you who have believed in Christ Jesus, as He Himself rose up.

...and whoever abides by the rule which he received by the prophets and the Gospel,
(they) shall receive a reward, and when (they have) risen from the dead shall obtain eternal life.

But to (any) that turns aside from them - there is fire with Him, since they are without God,
a generation of vipers (Qumran language!)...
from these turn away in the power of the Lord.

May grace, peace, and love be with you
Amen"
 
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e v e 21

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Like Eve, I have an interest in Bodies

I argue that God has and Image and Voice
and this aspect of God has a Physicality

looking at 3rd Corinthians, a letter said to be from Paul
that didn't make it in the NT canon for the most part (I think it's in some, like the Armenian)
like John's letters, it's dealing with Gnosticism

for background, taken from the book I have about
some from Corinth wrote to Paul about some teachings that had crept in
that they thought were questionable and were seeking his advice
they said some were teaching that -

"We must not study the Old Testament prophets. God is not Almighty.
There is no resurrection of the flesh, but only of the spirit. Creation is not
God's work. The Lord did not come in the flesh. The Lord was not born
of Mary. The world was created by angels, and not God. Jesus was not
crucified, by only someone who looked like Him took His place. Jesus is not
in the lineage of King David."

-
part of what in this letter Paul is said to have written back -

"...but God,..not abandon(ing) His creation
sent the Holy Spirit to Mary the Galilean, who believed with all her heart...
(from) her womb...Jesus...entered the world, (here taking on the physicality of Mankind - ed.)
and even though the evil one believed that by the destruction of Jesus' flesh
he would continue to rule, by it he (Satan) was actually conquered, and put to shame
and shown to the world once and for all that he was not God.

For by His own body Jesus Christ saved all flesh, and brought it to eternal life thru faith,
that He might present a temple of righteousness in His own body, through whom we (the Believing)
are redeemed.
...this is why...the resurrection is proclaimed to all.
(We) are (or will be) raised again by the will of God in a body and clothed (in Righteousness?)
the body is not only raised up, but abundantly blessed.

And know how Jonah,..
after three days and three nights God (raised him)...
and no part of him was corrupted, not even an eyelid.
How much more, you of so little faith, (even only a mustard seed worth! Paul had previously mentioned seeds)
will He raise up you who have believed in Christ Jesus, as He Himself rose up.

...and whoever abides by the rule which he received by the prophets and the Gospel,
(they) shall receive a reward, and when (they have) risen from the dead shall obtain eternal life.

But to (any) that turns aside from them - there is fire with Him, since they are without God,
a generation of vipers (Qumran language!)...
from these turn away in the power of the Lord.

May grace, peace, and love be with you
Amen"
His sons and daughters will be restored to the gorgeous Original physicality of eden
…the nature of His realm…
which is imperishable…

and what was lost because of adam…

… it’s all in prophets…
 

American Gothic

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after Messiah's ministry and work was complete
if there was a period of transition before the end of that Age...
could be so for this Age as well

significant things could happen, to my thinking lately
maybe nearer than farther away

keeps our hope rested in Him, peeps
 

American Gothic

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love of/tourism to/financial help for Israel, etc
The Gentiles bless Zion (prophecy)

“Who are these who fly like a cloud,
And like doves to their roosts?...

Their silver and their gold with them,
To the name of the Lord your God,
And to the Holy One of Israel,
Because He has glorified you.
The sons of foreigners shall build up your walls,
And their kings shall minister to you;
for in my wrath I struck you (but)
in My favor I have had compassion on you." Isaiah 60
 
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American Gothic

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God can use the Gentiles in His chastisement of Israel and His blessing of
there are references in the Scriptures to
the ships of Kittim and
the ships of Tarshish
some think Tarshish is Britian, and Kittim is Rome

in the facilitation of the reestablishment of Israel
the Brits and then British ships were involved

relevant to the Dead Sea Scrolls
the Romans came in and restored order in the Land during the
Jewish civil wars (heavy handedly doing so, of course)

this Roman imposed peace allowed the Zadok's to move back to the Land
and establish the community at Qumran
 

American Gothic

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American Gothic

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Messianic Apocalypse DSS 4Q521

Fr2, col 2
“...because the heavens and the earth will listen to His Messiah, and none of them will turn away from the teaching of His holy ones (Essenes, Apostles, Saints). Seekers of the Lord, strengthen yourselves for His service. If you maintain hope in your heart, you will see the Lord! For the Lord will seek out the pious and call the righteous by name. His spirit will hover upon the humble, and he will renew the faithful with his power. He will glorify the humble upon the throne of an eternal kingdom. He will deliver the captives, give sight to the blind, straighten those bent down (twisted). I will always cling to those who hope in Him and await His mercy (Rapture?)… and the fruit of ... will not be delayed for anyone. The Lord will perform amazing things that have never been done, just as He promised. He will heal the badly wounded and will raise the dead; he will preach the good news (Gospel) to the poor (humble) and... He will lead the uprooted (called out) ones. He will feed the hungry and…”

 

American Gothic

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cling to those who hope in Him
this Fellowship stuff can be hard in this Family of God

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American Gothic

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"Train up a child in the way he should go,
And when he is old(er) he will not depart from it." Proverbs 22

simple like a Punk song &
still resonates to this day

Jesus Loves me, this I know
For the Bible tells me so
Little ones to Him belong
They are weak but He is strong
Yes, Jesus loves me
The Bible tells me so

Jesus loves me, He who died
Heaven's gate to open wide
He will wash away my sin
Let His little child come in
Yes, Jesus loves me
The Bible tells me so

Jesus, take this heart of mine
Make it pure and holy Thine
On the cross, You died for me
I will try to live for Thee
Yes, Jesus loves me
The Bible tells me so
 
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American Gothic

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Fr2 Col3

"...and the law of your grace will free them..." - DSS 4Q521
only a fragment

law of Messiah/Christ is about freedom
sounds amazing


BUMP
 
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