Open Heart
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I watched part of it, but it was long, and didn't hold my attention.
the original Messianic Judaism?
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American Gothic
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figures
and since you didn't bother to put in the effort...
on this section of forums I will not consider you to be a Jew
only a gentile who is by choice somewhat Judaistic
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Open Heart
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Jews don't care what you as a Gentile think a Jew is. We only care about halakha. I'm halakhically a Jew. That is the ONLY thing that matters. So believe whatever you want. I know who I am.
American Gothic
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fair go - you've got Spunk!Jews don't care what you as a Gentile think a Jew is. We only care about halakha. I'm halakhically a Jew. That is the ONLY thing that matters. So believe whatever you want. I know who I am.
I too will chuckle when you refer to the Lord Jesus as my "imaginary friend"
Open Heart
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American Gothic -- you must be thinking of someone else... I have never said that to you. It is not an accusation I make.fair go - you've got Spunk!
I too will chuckle when you refer to the Lord Jesus as my "imaginary friend"
I accept the Jewish teaching that christianity is sheetuf, or "association." By that I mean that you have on glasses with the name Jesus so that every time you look to God, you see Jesus. I think you have a real relationship with God, but you mistakenly confuse God with Jesus.
American Gothic
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you did once maybe in jest
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since you have little interest in talking about the Land of Israel, what you do on Shabbat, etc
all that is left is arguing about Jews, the Law, Judaisms, the nature of God, and the Messiah...
of course I enjoy doing the later, especially with friends like You
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Open Heart
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Oh, I really do enjoy the religious banter. It really doesn't bother me that people disagree with me. Indeed, I kind of like the feeling of my brain being stretched to be real honest.you did once maybe in jest
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Eidetic memory - Wikipedia
since you have little interest in talking about the Land of Israel, what you do on Shabbat, etc
all that is left is arguing about Jews, the Law, Judaisms, the nature of God, and the Messiah...
of course I enjoy doing the later, especially with friends like You
What do you think of Tikkun Olam, the idea that we should work to repair the world?
American Gothic
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is this a Biblical concept?
is it a Thing in all branches of Judaisms?
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Open Heart
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It is a phrase in the mishnah, used to describe what the rabbis believe to be the social policies contained in the Torah.
The Torah commands, "Justice, justice shall you pursue" (Deuteronomy 16:20) Our understanding is that the earth and all the animals and plants and human beings on it belong to God. We should not destroy without need. Rather, l'vadah ul'shamrah, "to till and to tend, we are the stewards of the garden, with a responsibility. All that God has given us comes with responsibility.
Consider all the commands regarding tzedakah (social justice):
Obligatory giving of a tithe not only to the levites, but also to the widow and orphan.
Leaving the corners of your field unharvested for the poor.
Not picking up any harvest you drop, but to leave it for the poor to glean.
Anyone who is hungry can eat what is in a field or orchard until they are satisfied, and it is not stealing.
I believe there is more, but this is just what comes to my memory.
Consider the commands concerning cruelty to animals:
Do not yoke an ox and donkey together, as they pull unevenly and this hurts them.
Chase the mother bird from the nest before taking her eggs, so as not to cause her distress.
Three times it is written: do not boil a kid in its own mother's milk.
Consider the commands that show compassion even for plants:
Let the ground go fallow every seven years.
Do not cut down the fruit trees of your enemies.
I could go on and on, but I detest long posts, so I'll assume you have the point , and I'll close up.
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American Gothic
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yeah, that stuff sounds kool -
IMV,
Mankind has dominion of the Earth and all that is on it
Believers of Jesus have freedom in Christ
so they can pursue all That if they wish, as the Spirit moves them
they can also use the Torah commands as a guide for themselves on that if wanted to
they should certainly pursue righteousness in their attitudes and activities, if anything as a witness
what those that deliberately label themselves "Messianic Jews" might think or do about it
might be more "Jewish" than how I personally might go about it
don't really know
tho brethren of Faith, we are not required to all act the same, look the same, etc
I think in the future -
true justice on Earth will arrive and the World will significantly be repaired
and I think the Jewish people have an involvement in those things becoming a reality
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American Gothic
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Prager makes a distinction between Justice and social justice - I can't recall specifically how tho
maybe you know (?)
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Open Heart
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I was such an ardent fan of Dennis Prager in the 90s. But he became very grim after 9-11. Since 2016 he just became too extremist for me -- I think he has kind of gone off the deep end. You know, way back when, he used to say that while liberals tended to demonize conservatives, conservatives don't' demonize liberals. But now he has jumped on the demonization bandwagon. He actually refused vaccination. Anyhow, this moderate just can't take him anymore, so sad to say.
I don't know what his distinction is between justice and social justice, sorry.
Tzedakah really does have justice as its root word. It is not charity that is done out of the goodness of one's heart, but is obligatory upon Jews.
Take the Jubilee year. Every 50th year, Torah prescribes that all debts are forgiven, and land returns to the families that originally owned it. Thus, while perhaps Joe Shmoe's father might have gambled away the family's wealth in land, Joe Shmoe will not be punished for that. It's kind of like a way to reset the economic opportunity for everyone in society. We don't do this anymore today, because the Land is not the same territory, and Israel is not a religious government either. But we can try to enact similar legislation in our own respective countries to try to level the playing field of opportunity.
American Gothic
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hmmm....where have I heard that before?
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Schwab-Klaus-World-Reset.jpg
so yr saying the Jewish influenced global elite Fascist/Commie control conspiracy is real?
mmmm yum
I'm not vaxed because of a blood condition - I'm more than fine, tho it sometimes spooks general practice doctors and puzzles Experts
the hemotologist has to tell docs to leave me be me
I had Covid and got over it with no issues
not Everyone is the same
I didn't like all the hysteria either
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Open Heart
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What does any of this have to do with what I said about Tzekadah?
Secular Jews were uncommonly drawn to communism in Russiah, and yes it was because Communism promised a fairer world. Communism had not been tried yet, and the world did not yet know that Communism results in totalitarian regimes. So now that we have more information, today we don't have secular Jews supporting communism.
My daughter had the first vaccination, and almost died from an anaphylactic reaction to it -- it turns out she is incredibly allergic to one of the ingredients, and it is good that she found out, since this ingredient is in a lot of i.e. sunscreens, other medications, etc. Obviously she didn't get the second vaccination.
I have no problem with people who couldn't be vaccinated because of medical reasons.
That was not the case with Dennis Prager. He was philosophically opposed to the vaccine FOR EVERYONE. He wanted people to get Covid so that some kind of herd immunity would develop, despite all the scientific evidence being behind the vaccines.
American Gothic
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well...
not being Republican or Democrat myself -
I am suspicious of Socialism - the International and the National flavors both
I am wary of Globalism, unless it is the Kingdom age
ultimately, we need a society that is largely moral/God centered for any Ideals to really work
the US has the ideals of "...and justice for All" "equal protection under the law" etc.
but things don't always work out that way
how have they worked out for Israel historically?
what will the State of Israel's situation be as the World abandons the nation/state for larger superregional power systems?
(for the Good of Humanity/to Save the Earth, of course)
American Gothic
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Hey Rachel,
yr daughters are nurses I believe...
are they doing ok?
has the Covid hysteria died down for those in the health care field?
yr daughters are nurses I believe...
are they doing ok?
has the Covid hysteria died down for those in the health care field?
Rachel Redux
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Yes, they're doing okay. They've both had covid along with their husband's and children. Much milder cases, thankfully. They're both nurse practitioners, the oldest one in an ER, and they still see covid but seldom the virulent cases like in 2020. I hope it's gone for good soon.
American Gothic
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what a great guy He is
I'm sure He only has all of our best interest in mind
en.wikipedia.org
"his own annual salary of about one million Swiss francs (a little more than $1 million USD) has been repeatedly questioned"
"mixing the finances of the not-for-profit WEF and other for-profit business ventures"
" he argued that the management of a modern enterprise must serve both shareholders and corporate stakeholders, to achieve long-term growth and prosperity. Schwab has championed the multistakeholder concept since the WEF's inception."
"...it has been argued that the dominant ideology of the Fourth Industrial Revolution is Transhumanism"
"You will own nothing, and be happy about it"
I'm sure He only has all of our best interest in mind
Klaus Schwab - Wikipedia
"his own annual salary of about one million Swiss francs (a little more than $1 million USD) has been repeatedly questioned"
"mixing the finances of the not-for-profit WEF and other for-profit business ventures"
" he argued that the management of a modern enterprise must serve both shareholders and corporate stakeholders, to achieve long-term growth and prosperity. Schwab has championed the multistakeholder concept since the WEF's inception."
"...it has been argued that the dominant ideology of the Fourth Industrial Revolution is Transhumanism"
"You will own nothing, and be happy about it"
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American Gothic
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does Judaism think the Torah is what heals the World?
everyone will learn from the Jews and eventually do it?
glad she's ok - hope all is well with you and yours
Open Heart
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Loving our neighbor as ourselves is what will heal the world, applying that principle of the Torah. But remember that words in the book do nothing. It is human beings who must act, act in love towards Humans, animals, the earth...