The Physical, Sexual "god" of the Mormons.

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Catherineaurelia

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The Mormon "god," whom is called "Elohim," is an exalted human being (see https://www.namb.net/apologetics/resource/the-mormon-concept-of-god/) This Mormon god is totally alien to the Christian God who has always been God from eternity past. The Christian God is found in the Bible; the Mormon god was conceived in the wicked, and depraved mind of Joseph Smith. Men are the creation of God and not the source of god. Many cults and ancient false religions teach a god who came OUT of creation and not a God Who Created everything that exists including all substances. Mormons totally reject this, as their well known little saying confirms: "“As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be." And as some Mormons who post here have claimed, this is not speaking of the Incarnation where Jesus became flesh - Jesus was God from Eternity.

In any case, this physical "god" of the Mormon cult, known today as "heavenly father" by most Mormons," came to planet earth and had sexual relations with Mary the mother of Jesus. Mary, therefore, was not a Virgin when Jesus was born - something the Bible teaches. Would some Mormon here like to contradict that?

This LINK conclusively proves that the Mormons teach that Jesus was conceived by sexual relations between their physical "god" and Mary:


I remember when the Mormons started peddling their false gospel in South America. When they dealt with the many Catholics living in those SA countries, did the missionaries happen to share this Mormon blasphemy with them? No! But I did, and I'm sure many other Christians told them the truth about what the Mormon cult actually teaches.

This is where believing in a false prophet gets you folks. Little by little they begin to deceive you until they lure you into such ultimate blasphemy as the sexual god teaching of Smith and Young, etc. Today Mormons totally avoid addressing this issue - and for good reason. When people become acquainted with their cult's teaching they become thoroughly disgusted. And they should.
 
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Janice Bower

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Those who don't conform to Mormon laws and ordinances will have changes to their bodies and will not be capable of becoming heavenly parents.
 
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Catherineaurelia said:
The Mormon "god," whom is called "Elohim," is an exalted human being (see https://www.namb.net/apologetics/resource/the-mormon-concept-of-god/) This Mormon god is totally alien to the Christian God who has always been God from eternity past. The Christian God is found in the Bible; the Mormon god was conceived in the wicked, and depraved mind of Joseph Smith. Men are the creation of God and not the source of god. Many cults and ancient false religions teach a god who came OUT of creation and not a God Who Created everything that exists including all substances. Mormons totally reject this, as their well known little saying confirms: "“As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be." And as some Mormons who post here have claimed, this is not speaking of the Incarnation where Jesus became flesh - Jesus was God from Eternity.

In any case, this physical "god" of the Mormon cult, known today as "heavenly father" by most Mormons," came to planet earth and had sexual relations with Mary the mother of Jesus. Mary, therefore, was not a Virgin when Jesus was born - something the Bible teaches. Would some Mormon here like to contradict that?

This LINK conclusively proves that the Mormons teach that Jesus was conceived by sexual relations between their physical "god" and Mary:


I remember when the Mormons started peddling their false gospel in South America. When they dealt with the many Catholics living in those SA countries, did the missionaries happen to share this Mormon blasphemy with them? No! But I did, and I'm sure many other Christians told them the truth about what the Mormon cult actually teaches.

This is where believing in a false prophet gets you folks. Little by little they begin to deceive you until they lure you into such ultimate blasphemy as the sexual god teaching of Smith and Young, etc. Today Mormons totally avoid addressing this issue - and for good reason. When people become acquainted with their cult's teaching they become thoroughly disgusted. And they should.
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Hi CA. The second link doesn't work. Could you recheck it?
 
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Catherineaurelia said:
The Mormon "god," whom is called "Elohim," is an exalted human being
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As we all hope to one day be. Tell me, in your religion are those who are resurrected not human? What are they? Robots? Will they remember anything about this life? Who they were married to? Who were their children? I mean, how sterile is your heaven? You don't know do you?
 
Aaron32

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Catherineaurelia said:
The Mormon "god," whom is called "Elohim," is an exalted human being (see https://www.namb.net/apologetics/resource/the-mormon-concept-of-god/) This Mormon god is totally alien to the Christian God who has always been God from eternity past. The Christian God is found in the Bible; the Mormon god was conceived in the wicked, and depraved mind of Joseph Smith. Men are the creation of God and not the source of god. Many cults and ancient false religions teach a god who came OUT of creation and not a God Who Created everything that exists including all substances. Mormons totally reject this, as their well known little saying confirms: "“As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be." And as some Mormons who post here have claimed, this is not speaking of the Incarnation where Jesus became flesh - Jesus was God from Eternity.

In any case, this physical "god" of the Mormon cult, known today as "heavenly father" by most Mormons," came to planet earth and had sexual relations with Mary the mother of Jesus. Mary, therefore, was not a Virgin when Jesus was born - something the Bible teaches. Would some Mormon here like to contradict that?

This LINK conclusively proves that the Mormons teach that Jesus was conceived by sexual relations between their physical "god" and Mary:


I remember when the Mormons started peddling their false gospel in South America. When they dealt with the many Catholics living in those SA countries, did the missionaries happen to share this Mormon blasphemy with them? No! But I did, and I'm sure many other Christians told them the truth about what the Mormon cult actually teaches.

This is where believing in a false prophet gets you folks. Little by little they begin to deceive you until they lure you into such ultimate blasphemy as the sexual god teaching of Smith and Young, etc. Today Mormons totally avoid addressing this issue - and for good reason. When people become acquainted with their cult's teaching they become thoroughly disgusted. And they should.
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Can you help me find the source where mormonism explicitly teaches that God had sex with Mary?
In the links provided, I didn't see it. The only direct quote I found was "For our present purposes, suffice it to say that our Lord was born of a virgin, which is fitting and proper, and also natural, since the Father of the Child was an immortal Being" (The Promised Messiah, pg. 466)."
 
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Aaron32 said:
Can you help me find the source where mormonism explicitly teaches that God had sex with Mary?
In the links provided, I didn't see it. The only direct quote I found was "For our present purposes, suffice it to say that our Lord was born of a virgin, which is fitting and proper, and also natural, since the Father of the Child was an immortal Being" (The Promised Messiah, pg. 466)."
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Why do you need help? Don't be obtuse - isn't it obvious how men "beget" offspring - in this case "Jesus" is the one begotten sexually. Apparently Brigham Young knew:

• Brigham Young (Mormonism's 2nd president-prophet): “The Father came down and begat him, the same as we do now…” [The Complete Discourses of Brigham Young, vol. 1, p. 321; February 16, 1849, Salt Lake City] (As cited here by McKeever and Shafovaloff)
 
Theo1689

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Catherineaurelia said:
Why do you need help? Don't be obtuse - isn't it obvious how men "beget" offspring - in this case "Jesus" is the one begotten sexually. Apparently Brigham Young knew:

• Brigham Young (Mormonism's 2nd president-prophet): “The Father came down and begat him, the same as we do now…” [The Complete Discourses of Brigham Young, vol. 1, p. 321; February 16, 1849, Salt Lake City] (As cited here by McKeever and Shafovaloff)
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Yet some Mormons want to argue that the first century Jews had in-vitro fertilization (IVF), "the same as we do now".
 
Janice Bower

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Aaron32 said:
Can you help me find the source where mormonism explicitly teaches that God had sex with Mary?
In the links provided, I didn't see it. The only direct quote I found was "For our present purposes, suffice it to say that our Lord was born of a virgin, which is fitting and proper, and also natural, since the Father of the Child was an immortal Being" (The Promised Messiah, pg. 466)."
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That is what my home teacher told me. "heavenly father" had sex with Mary; she was still a virgin because he was "heavenly father."
 
Aaron32

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Catherineaurelia said:
Why do you need help? Don't be obtuse - isn't it obvious how men "beget" offspring - in this case "Jesus" is the one begotten sexually. Apparently Brigham Young knew:

• Brigham Young (Mormonism's 2nd president-prophet): “The Father came down and begat him, the same as we do now…” [The Complete Discourses of Brigham Young, vol. 1, p. 321; February 16, 1849, Salt Lake City] (As cited here by McKeever and Shafovaloff)
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Wow! I didn't know that this belief has such a weak foundation. EDITED
 
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I can't believe that you are saying Brigham Young's words are "criminal." Explain what "crime" he was perpetrating. If Brigham said your "god" came down and "begat" Jesus in the same way men begat offspring, what about that is "criminal." If I was you, I'd be careful of whom I accuse of crimes? You're really treading on thin doctrinal ice there Aaron. What do you think Briggy was saying? Maybe you should put away your Mormon glasses and actually read what is being said: https://www.mrm.org/virgin-birth
 
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Janice Bower said:
That is what my home teacher told me. "heavenly father" had sex with Mary; she was still a virgin because he was "heavenly father."
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Your home teacher?
Sorry, that's doesn't meet the criteria of doctrine:

“Anything purporting to pertain to the Gospel of Jesus Christ may be put to the following four simple tests:

  1. Does it purport to originate in the wisdom of men, or was it revealed from heaven? If it originated in the wisdom of men, it is not of God. …
  2. Does the teaching bear the proper label? … If any teaching purporting to be from Christ comes under any label other than that of Jesus Christ, we can know it is not of God. …
  3. … The teaching must not only come under the proper label, but it must also conform to the other teaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
  4. … Does it come through the proper Church channel?” (In Conference Report, Oct. 1960, pp. 76–77.)

In this case, your home teacher doesn't hold the proper title to declare doctrine for the Church.
 
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So show us, Aaron, where is the criminality in the following quotes of MORMONS?

Mormonism says God impregnated Mary by sex

beliefmap.org beliefmap.org

What is the problem with Mormons? Do they simply reject the statements by their past leaders? Calling them "criminal," as this Mormon, Aaron, has done? Why don't they admit that this is the teaching of their cult? This is why Christians cannot trust anything posted here by Mormons? They simply are unable to believe what their own leaders have taught. This is horrendous.
 
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Aaron32 said:
Your home teacher?
Sorry, that's doesn't meet the criteria of doctrine:

“Anything purporting to pertain to the Gospel of Jesus Christ may be put to the following four simple tests:

  1. Does it purport to originate in the wisdom of men, or was it revealed from heaven? If it originated in the wisdom of men, it is not of God. …
  2. Does the teaching bear the proper label? … If any teaching purporting to be from Christ comes under any label other than that of Jesus Christ, we can know it is not of God. …
  3. … The teaching must not only come under the proper label, but it must also conform to the other teaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
  4. … Does it come through the proper Church channel?” (In Conference Report, Oct. 1960, pp. 76–77.)

In this case, your home teacher doesn't hold the proper title to declare doctrine for the Church.
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So then, what are they "teaching"? Needlepoint?
 
Janice Bower

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Aaron32 said:
Your home teacher?
Sorry, that's doesn't meet the criteria of doctrine:

“Anything purporting to pertain to the Gospel of Jesus Christ may be put to the following four simple tests:

  1. Does it purport to originate in the wisdom of men, or was it revealed from heaven? If it originated in the wisdom of men, it is not of God. …
  2. Does the teaching bear the proper label? … If any teaching purporting to be from Christ comes under any label other than that of Jesus Christ, we can know it is not of God. …
  3. … The teaching must not only come under the proper label, but it must also conform to the other teaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
  4. … Does it come through the proper Church channel?” (In Conference Report, Oct. 1960, pp. 76–77.)

In this case, your home teacher doesn't hold the proper title to declare doctrine for the Church.
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Home teachers with knowledge of Mormonism, son of stake president, temple married to a descendant of Smith family, isn't worthy or authorized to answer questions? Church literature also is full of lies? Past prophets were liars?

Conference report, October 1960, pp. 76-77 is scripture?

Anciently, news of the Savior’s birth was a glad tiding declared by many—God had sent His Son to redeem the world. “The Living Christ: The Testimony of the Apostles” declares Jesus to be “the Firstborn of the Father, the Only Begotten Son in the flesh, the Redeemer of the world” (Ensign or Liahona, Apr. 2000, 2–3). In this lesson, students will come to know why it was critical that Jesus be born of a mortal mother and an immortal Father.
Jesus Christ and the Everlasting Gospel Teacher Manual, Lesson 7: Jesus Christ---God's Only Begotten Son in the Flesh


According to Joseph Fielding Smith, those who do not become Gods will not have resurrected bodies capable of producing offspring.
 
Janice Bower

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“What do we mean by endless or eternal increase? We mean that through the righteousness and faithfulness of men and women who keep the commandments of God they will come forth with celestial bodies, fitted and prepared to enter into their great, high and eternal glory in the celestial kingdom of God; and unto them through their preparation, there will come spirit children. I don’t think that is very difficult to comprehend. The nature of the offspring is determined by the nature of the substance that flows in the veins of the being. When blood flows in the veins of the being the offspring will be what blood produces, which is tangible flesh and bone; but when that which flows in the veins is spirit matter, a substance which is more refined and pure and glorious than blood, the offspring of such beings will be spirit children. By that I mean they will be in the image of the parents. They will have a spirit body and have a spark of the eternal or divine that always did exist in them” (Melvin J. Ballard—Crusader for Righteousness, 211).
 
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