The Physical, Sexual "god" of the Mormons.

I don't know what a million or so Mormons believe unless each one tells me and isn't lying. For this reason I use several quotes to expose their teachings. Many Mormons don't even know their teachings.
Most of your quotes don't reveal anything nefarious about our religion. It's your opinions about what you post that don't connect with the experience of millions of members of the church. Statistically, your experiences and your opinions about what we believe in the minority among members of the church. That's why you left and huge number of the rest of them are still going to church (statistically speaking, that is).

As I said, your experience has not been mine and it obviously hasn't been for millions of other members of the church.
 
Most of your quotes don't reveal anything nefarious about our religion. It's your opinions about what you post that don't connect with the experience of millions of members of the church. Statistically, your experiences and your opinions about what we believe in the minority among members of the church. That's why you left and huge number of the rest of them are still going to church (statistically speaking, that is).

As I said, your experience has not been mine and it obviously hasn't been for millions of other members of the church.

The sexual chief god of Joey Smith's Mormonism is modeled on pagan deities who descended to planet earth and copulated with women. Mormonism is essentially a pagan, not a Christian religion.
 
The sexual chief god of Joey Smith's Mormonism is modeled on pagan deities
I personally think that religion that think their God can do anything but things that we can do are modeled on pagan deities. Making things from nothing is magic. It's not real. It's hocus pocus to keep critical thinkers from thinking.
 
The sexual chief god of Joey Smith's Mormonism is modeled on pagan deities who descended to planet earth and copulated with women. Mormonism is essentially a pagan, not a Christian religion.
Fallacy of Composition
Lol! This is like saying "the Trinity" comes from Paganism because religions like Hinduism have three deities: Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. Those who believe in the Trinity are pagan.
 
“You all know that your fathers are indeed your fathers and that your mothers are indeed your mothers—. . . Now, we are told in scriptures that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God in the flesh. Well, now for the benefit of the older ones, how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father. "
It remains to be a fact that humans can only have children with other humans. You guys believe in magic. God can do whatever he wants in your religion. In ours, laws are laws and everyone must work within the laws including God. NO ONE is above the law.
 
Regardless of how often the Mormons try to circumvent the issue, Mormon "god" is simply an "exalted human being," and he has at least one wife, probably more, and procreates spirit children just as humans do. In fact, while many Mormons love forgetting about Brigham Young, he had a very important teaching regarding this subject:

Brigham Young [1801-1877] taught, “God has made His children like Himself to stand erect, and has endowed them with intelligence and power and dominion over all His works, and given them the same attributes which He himself possesses. He created man, as we create our children; for there is no other process of creation in heaven, on the earth, in the earth, or under the earth, or in all the eternities, that is, that were, or that ever will be.” (Journal of Discourses 11:122-123).

NO OTHER PROCESS MEANS NO OTHER PROCESS, UNLESS THE MORMONS HERE WANT TO CONTRADICT THEIR SECOND PROPHET (or pretend he was really prophesying about in vitro fertilization).

This article deals with this Mormon teaching and is Christian:

 
I personally think that religion that think their God can do anything but things that we can do are modeled on pagan deities. Making things from nothing is magic. It's not real. It's hocus pocus to keep critical thinkers from thinking.
How can a person appear thru a locked door or walk on water?
 
It remains to be a fact that humans can only have children with other humans. You guys believe in magic. God can do whatever he wants in your religion. In ours, laws are laws and everyone must work within the laws including God. NO ONE is above the law.
Human understand of laws of nature is minuscule.
 
Regardless of how often the Mormons try to circumvent the issue, Mormon "god" is simply an "exalted human being,"
Ummm...ok. If that's problematic, you'd need to explain why it's ok to worship Jesus who is an exalted human being.
and he has at least one wife, probably more, and procreates spirit children just as humans do. In fact, while many Mormons love forgetting about Brigham Young, he had a very important teaching regarding this subject:

Brigham Young [1801-1877] taught, “God has made His children like Himself to stand erect, and has endowed them with intelligence and power and dominion over all His works, and given them the same attributes which He himself possesses. He created man, as we create our children; for there is no other process of creation in heaven, on the earth, in the earth, or under the earth, or in all the eternities, that is, that were, or that ever will be.” (Journal of Discourses 11:122-123).

NO OTHER PROCESS MEANS NO OTHER PROCESS, UNLESS THE MORMONS HERE WANT TO CONTRADICT THEIR SECOND PROPHET (or pretend he was really prophesying about in vitro fertilization).
You assume that anything said by a Church leader is binding doctrine upon the Church. Such is not the case.

Purpose of Gospel Study:
"The aim of all gospel learning and teaching is to deepen our conversion to Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ and help us become more like Them. For this reason, when we study the gospel, we’re not just looking for new information; we want to become a “new creature” (2 Corinthians 5:17). This means relying on Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ to help us change our hearts, our views, our actions, and our very natures." (https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org...nd-families-new-testament-2023/intro?lang=eng)
The Role of the Prophet:
"A prophet is a man called by God to be His representative on earth. When a prophet speaks for God, it is as if God were speaking (see D&C 1:38). A prophet is also a special witness for Christ, testifying of His divinity and teaching His gospel. A prophet teaches truth and interprets the word of God. He calls the unrighteous to repentance. He receives revelations and directions from the Lord for our benefit. He may see into the future and foretell coming events so that the world may be warned."

Can you explain how many wives God has and the process of spiritual procreation contributes toward the purpose described above? I'm not seeing it.
Can you further explain how teaching God having multiple wives and the technicalities of spiritual procreation fulfills the roles of the prophet? If not, then we could say that Brigham Young wasn't really acting as a prophet. Ergo, whatever perverted postulation you wish to draw from Brigham Young's words is most likely missing the mark.

The subject of the discourse from which your quote comes from personality and attributes of God. Given the quote in context, he certainly doesn't take the same line of reasoning you do:
"I believe that the declaration made in these two scriptures is literally true. God has made His children like Himself to stand erect, and has endowed them with intelligence and power and dominion over all His works, and given them the same attributes which He Himself possesses. He created man, as we create our children; for there is no other process of creation in heaven, on the earth, in the earth, or under the earth, or in all the eternities, that is, that were, or that ever will be. As the Apostle Paul has expressed it, "For in him we live, and move, and have our being." "Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art or man's device." There exist fixed laws and regulations by which the elements are fashioned to fulfill their destiny in all the varied kingdoms and orders of creation, and this process of creation is from everlasting to everlasting. Jesus Christ is known in the scriptures as the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth, and it is written of Him as being the brightness of the Father's glory and the express image of His person. The word image we understand in the same sense as we do the word in the 3rd verse of the 5th chapter of Genesis, "And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image." I am quite satisfied to be made aware by the scriptures, and by the Spirit of God, that He is not only the God and Father of Jesus Christ, but is also the Father of our spirits and the Creator of our bodies which bear His image as Seth bore the image of his father Adam. Adam begat many children who bore His image, but Seth is no doubt more particularly mentioned, because he was more like his father than the rest of the family.
We bear the image of our earthly parents in their fallen state, but by obedience to the gospel of salvation, and the renovating influences of the Holy Ghost, and the holy resurrection, we shall put on the image of the heavenly, in beauty, glory, power and goodness. Jesus Christ was so like His Father that on one occasion in answer to a request, "Show us the Father," He said, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father." The strongest testimony that can be borne to the minds of men is the testimony of the Father concerning the Son, and the testimony of the Son concerning the Father, by the power of the revelations of the Spirit, which every man who is born of woman possesses more or less, and which, if mankind would listen to it, would lead them to the knowledge of God, and ultimately, assisted by the ordinances of the gospel, into His presence.
If there is anything that is great and good and wise among men, it cometh from God. If there are men who possess great ability as statesmen, or as philosophers, or who possess remarkable scientific knowledge and skill, the credit thereof belongs to God, for He dispenses it to His children whether they believe in Him or not, or whether they sin against Him or not; it makes no difference; but all will have to account to Him for the way and manner in which they have used the talents committed unto them. If we believe the plain, broad statements of the Bible, we must believe that Jesus Christ is the light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world; none are exempt. This applies to all who possess the least degree of light and intelligence, no matter how small; wherever intelligence can be found, God is the author of it. This light is inherent according to a law of eternity—according to the law of the Gods, according to the law of Him whom we serve as the only wise, true, and living God to us. He is the author of this light to us. Yet our knowledge is very limited; who can tell the future, and know it as the past is known to us? It is a small thing, if we were acquainted with the principle. Were we acquainted with this principle, we could just as well read the future as the past."

I know exactly what it means to have Heavenly Parents, but I know that sexual intercourse wasn't required when I was spiritually "born again". IMO, It takes a depraved mind to extract the holiness from God, and that's generally what we see from our critics. (By their fruits, they are known).

This article deals with this Mormon teaching and is Christian:

This deserves it's own thread.
 
Satan has successfully convinced Mormons to follow lying false prophets, who teach that the Bible--God's holy and inspired word--isn't enough. That more is needed. That the BoM and Pearl books are needed. That they are "Scripture." Yet, people managed to be saved to eternal life in the first century church just fine without the BoM or Pearl books; without expensive, lavishly decorated temples and the endowment and baptisms for the dead done therein....yes, the first century Christians managed to be saved to eternal life without any of these things, by simply believing in Jesus Christ as Lord and God and Savior, and trusting in Him only for salvation, great and free.

Satan has succeeded in convincing Mormons to believe that Smith correctly "translated" Egyptian scrolls when he got not one single, solitary glyph correct. But he could get away with his lies back in the 1830's, since Egyptian writing had not yet been fully translated.

Satan as successfully convinced Mormons that a lying, hypocritical cheat who made many prophesies in God's name that did not come true was somehow a "prophet" sent by God, even though he flunked all the Biblical criteria for a true prophet.

Satan has successfully convinced Mormons that Jesus and Satan are actual brothers in the supposed pre-mortal existence, that, in fact, ALL of us are the spirit children of HF and some unnamed HM, which means we are all supposedly spirit siblings of Lucifer/Satan as well.....

So, sorry, I am not listening to Satan, who wants me to believe that the Bible isn't good enough, completely enough, inspired enough, to contain all that is necessary for me to know to have eternal life in Jesus' name.

Need I go on, Richard?
Chuckle, Satan has done a great job of convincing some not to read the Book of Mormon for he knows this will convert good honest seekers of truth to the only true Church of Christ...
 
Violation of Bonnie Rule # 2. Can you tell me what polytheism has to do with spiritual procreation, Bonnie?
My post was in response to what CA wrote here: "The sexual chief god of Joey Smith's Mormonism is modeled on pagan deities who descended to planet earth and copulated with women. Mormonism is essentially a pagan, not a Christian religion."

Pagan deities--plural. Polytheism. Which is what Mormonism has--lots and lots of gods, exalted humans, procreating spirit children for eternity....

So, no change of subject. I am sorry if I was unclear.
 
My post was in response to what CA wrote here: "The sexual chief god of Joey Smith's Mormonism is modeled on pagan deities who descended to planet earth and copulated with women. Mormonism is essentially a pagan, not a Christian religion."

Pagan deities--plural. Polytheism. Which is what Mormonism has--lots and lots of gods, exalted humans, procreating spirit children for eternity....

So, no change of subject. I am sorry if I was unclear.
Where did you dig up that piece of disinformation.
 
Regardless of how often the Mormons try to circumvent the issue, Mormon "god" is simply an "exalted human being,"
No one is circumventing that argument..God is an exalted man. Jesus is now an exalted man. Do you deny that Jesus is exalted? Do you deny that Jesus is a man (human)?
and he has at least one wife, probably more, and procreates spirit children just as humans do.
No. That is false and there is no circumventing that. God does not procreate spirit children. In fact,.our doctrine is that man cannot be created or made, much less procreated. That's misinformation propaganda style.
In fact, while many Mormons love forgetting about Brigham Young, he had a very important teaching regarding this subject:
I'm pretty sure that our critics love inventing their own ideas about what we believe regardless of what we tell them we actually believe.
Brigham Young [1801-1877] taught, “God has made His children like Himself to stand erect, and has endowed them with intelligence and power and dominion over all His works, and given them the same attributes which He himself possesses. He created man, as we create our children; for there is no other process of creation in heaven, on the earth, in the earth, or under the earth, or in all the eternities, that is, that were, or that ever will be.” (Journal of Discourses 11:122-123).
This has nothing to do with spirits or spirit babies. He's talking about making actual children just like we make children. Once again, our critics are completely lost when it comes to our beliefs.
NO OTHER PROCESS MEANS NO OTHER PROCESS
NO DUH. IT MEANS MAKING CHILDREN JUST LIKE WE MAKE THEM. Now, please explain how we make spirit babies. What's the process?
UNLESS THE MORMONS HERE WANT TO CONTRADICT THEIR SECOND PROPHET
We aren't contradicting him. You just don't understand what he said.
or pretend he was really prophesying about in vitro fertilization
Nope. I don't believe spirit babies are born via in vitro fertilization.
This article deals with this Mormon teaching and is Christian:
It is probably just as wacked as your attempt to explain what we believe. Hahahaha.

It's so sad that you all actually think you are on a level to argue our beliefs. You'd be much better off asking and then arguing the points of what we actually believe.
 
Where did you dig up that piece of disinformation.
From the KFD. Smith said that your god was first a man on "an earth" who had to learn how to become a god. He likened it like going up a ladder, from one glory to another.

And don't forget the Snow Couplet--"As man now is, God once was. As God now is, man may become."

Both are on your church's website and endorsed by your church. Plus, your false prophet founder claims that he always taught that the Father, Son, and HG are three separate gods.

All these things are polytheism, Richard, no matter how you want to slice and dice it.
 
No one is circumventing that argument..God is an exalted man. Jesus is now an exalted man. Do you deny that Jesus is exalted? Do you deny that Jesus is a man (human)?

Yes, you are circumventing the argument, and you are turning the gospel on its head.
God was never "exalted", He has ALWAYS been at the highest level. "God changeth not".

As for Jesus, He wasn't simply a mere man who was "exalted" unto godhood.
It is quite the opposite.
Jesus was God, who condescended to become man:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [...] 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Phil. 2:5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

No. That is false and there is no circumventing that. God does not procreate spirit children

So you're claiming that your god cannot do something that mere man can do (procreate children)?
Fascinating!

This has nothing to do with spirits or spirit babies. He's talking about making actual children

"making" as in "creating"?

just like we make children. Once again, our critics are completely lost when it comes to our beliefs.

But we make children by "procreating", something you just claimed your god CANNOT do.

We aren't contradicting him. You just don't understand what he said.

You refuse to EXPLAIN what he said.
 
My post was in response to what CA wrote here: "The sexual chief god of Joey Smith's Mormonism is modeled on pagan deities who descended to planet earth and copulated with women. Mormonism is essentially a pagan, not a Christian religion."

Pagan deities--plural. Polytheism. Which is what Mormonism has--lots and lots of gods, exalted humans, procreating spirit children for eternity....

So, no change of subject. I am sorry if I was unclear.
Oh, for crying out loud don't be "sorry," you were very clear, and in keeping with the theme of the thread. When Mormons can't respond truthfully by acknowledging their cult's bizarre teachings, they try turn around and attack Christians, which was done above. It's simply a delaying tactic Mormons use to put Christians on the offense. Mormonism has god(s) plural who are exalted human beings according to the cult's teaching, who procreate just as earthly couples do according to their own prophet. If they are ashamed of Young, fine - then let them renounce him as a "prophet." Meanwhile, congratulations for defending the faith once delivered to the Saints, which means true Christians, not of the "latter-day variety."
 
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From the KFD. Smith said that your god was first a man on "an earth" who had to learn how to become a god. He likened it like going up a ladder, from one glory to another.

And don't forget the Snow Couplet--"As man now is, God once was. As God now is, man may become."

Both are on your church's website and endorsed by your church. Plus, your false prophet founder claims that he always taught that the Father, Son, and HG are three separate gods.

All these things are polytheism, Richard, no matter how you want to slice and dice it.
But you stated Polytheism and that is false... why would you want to give disinformation that you can not evidence for make factual... do you like misstating our doctrine? Now go out there and find in our Doctrine where we teach Polytheism... you won't find it but if you go anywhere else that wants to lie about our doctrine... then source it for validation... please source it so I can show you are not getting it from the truth found in our Doctrine... will the stop you from doing it.... I doubt it... you love the disinformation more then the truth...
 
Oh, for crying out loud don't be "sorry," you were very clear, and in keeping with the theme of the thread. When Mormons can't respond truthfully by acknowledging their cult's bizarre teachings, they try turn around and attack Christians, which was done above. It's simply a delaying tactic Mormons use to put Christians on the offense. Mormonism has god(s) plural who are exalted human beings according to the cult's teaching, who procreate just as earthly couples do according to their own prophet. If they are ashamed of Young, fine - then let them renounce him as a "prophet." Meanwhile, congratulations for defending the faith once delivered to the Saints, which means true Christians, not of the "latter-day variety."
Oh please, find it in our doctrine and I will apologize when you do... nice try but your sources are noting but disinformation. Or you speculation is really out of whack...
 
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