The prophesied Restoration

[dberrie2020]

Christ's Church was never destroyed. He still adds people to it just as He did in the first century.

Then why the need for a Reformation--with numerous new denominations--with a different theology?

And why the prophecy here?

Acts 3:21---King James Version
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

That's a restoration, not a Reformation. God's gospel is perfect already, and has no need to be reformed.

Does God add people to His church today--- the same way He did in the NT?

Acts 2:38-42---King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

That's the doctrine one will find being practiced in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 

[Richard7]

Then why the need for a Reformation--with numerous new denominations--with a different theology?

And why the prophecy here?

Acts 3:21---King James Version
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

That's a restoration, not a Reformation. God's gospel is perfect already, and has no need to be reformed.

Does God add people to His church today--- the same way He did in the NT?

Acts 2:38-42---King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

That's the doctrine one will find being practiced in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

They have no answer, the teachers and preachers won't touch that topic. 😁 🙃 😍

 

[dberrie2020]

They have no answer, the teachers and preachers won't touch that topic.

I agree--but they do answer with ghost replies of "I already answered that", denials, "out of context", "you don't understand" retorts or post numbers which have nothing to do with answering to the scriptural quotes themselves.

They also make claims of beating a dead horse--then resurrect the horse, and ride it till it dies again. I have noticed the very ones who make that claim--are also riding the same horse over and over again. That seems to be the nature of this board--for all participants.

 

[dberrie2020]

"Then why the need for a Reformation--with numerous new denominations--with a different theology?

And why the prophecy here?

Acts 3:21---King James Version
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

That's a restoration, not a Reformation. God's gospel is perfect already, and has no need to be reformed.

Does God add people to His church today--- the same way He did in the NT?

Acts 2:38-42---King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

That's the doctrine one will find being practiced in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."

Anyone care to engage this?

 

[organgrinder]

"Then why the need for a Reformation--with numerous new denominations--with a different theology?

And why the prophecy here?

Acts 3:21---King James Version
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

That's a restoration, not a Reformation. God's gospel is perfect already, and has no need to be reformed.

Does God add people to His church today--- the same way He did in the NT?

Acts 2:38-42---King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

That's the doctrine one will find being practiced in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."

Anyone care to engage this?

You cover the same old ground. This similar posting was in the "Only Mormons Are In the Kingdom of God " post #23.

Here was my response there:

In a previous thread you couldn't even articulate the Gospel other than "whatever leads to eternal life". That isn't the Gospel. If you can't articulate it, you certainly aren't capable of discussing reformation or restoration.

 

[dberrie2020]

You cover the same old ground. This similar posting was in the "Only Mormons Are In the Kingdom of God " post #23.

And the critic's claim of "same old ground" is found in numerous posts--without the first engagement of the concern. That seems to become their pat answer for everything they wish would go away, IMO.

Here was my response there:

In a previous thread you couldn't even articulate the Gospel other than "whatever leads to eternal life". That isn't the Gospel. If you can't articulate it, you certainly aren't capable of discussing reformation or restoration.

Which is just another example of avoiding the concern--and posting straw man constructions.

Organ--here is the concern:

"Then why the need for a Reformation--with numerous new denominations--with a different theology?

And why the prophecy here?

Acts 3:21---King James Version
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

That's a restoration, not a Reformation. God's gospel is perfect already, and has no need to be reformed.

Does God add people to His church today--- the same way He did in the NT?

Acts 2:38-42---King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

That's the doctrine one will find being practiced in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."

Care to engage that--with something other than claims which have nothing to do with the questions posed?

 

[organgrinder]

And the critic's claim of "same old ground" is found in numerous posts--without the first engagement of the concern. That seems to become their pat answer for everything they wish would go away, IMO.



Which is just another example of avoiding the concern--and posting straw man constructions.

Organ--here is the concern:

"Then why the need for a Reformation--with numerous new denominations--with a different theology?

And why the prophecy here?

Acts 3:21---King James Version
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

That's a restoration, not a Reformation. God's gospel is perfect already, and has no need to be reformed.

Does God add people to His church today--- the same way He did in the NT?

Acts 2:38-42---King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

That's the doctrine one will find being practiced in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."

Care to engage that--with something other than claims which have nothing to do with the questions posed?

I repeat the following and maybe you will understand.

You cover the same old ground. This similar posting was in the "Only Mormons Are In the Kingdom of God " post #23.

Here was my response there:

In a previous thread you couldn't even articulate the Gospel other than "whatever leads to eternal life". That isn't the Gospel. If you can't articulate it, you certainly aren't capable of discussing reformation or restoration.

A person who isn't capable of knowing or articulating the Gospel aside from some banal "anything that leads to eternal life" simply isn't capable of discussing reformation/restoration. If you don't know what the Gospel is, you can't tell whether it has changed, been corrupted or anything else.

You are what trolls do.

 

[dberrie2020]

I repeat the following and maybe you will understand. You cover the same old ground.

What is there about the fact the same ole arguments are rehashed here over and over--do we not understand?

And? That still locks you into the crickets cage.

This similar posting was in the "Only Mormons Are In the Kingdom of God " post #23.

When I believe the post would be an interesting subject for a closer examination--then it becomes a thread. That's not uncommon, nor does it violate any rule, that I am aware of. It does present a concern which seems to irritate the theology the critics push here.

Organ--please don't confuse your diversion for a reason to avoid the topic. If you don't care to answer--that is your pejorative.

Care to engage the concern with something other than the usual diversion the critics pawn here?

Here was my response there:

In a previous thread you couldn't even articulate the Gospel other than "whatever leads to eternal life". That isn't the Gospel. If you can't articulate it, you certainly aren't capable of discussing reformation or restoration.

That's just another straw man diversion. It does nothing to answer to the posted scriptural testimony--and the topic of this thread:

"Then why the need for a Reformation--with numerous new denominations--with a different theology?

And why the prophecy here?

Acts 3:21---King James Version
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

That's a restoration, not a Reformation. God's gospel is perfect already, and has no need to be reformed.

Does God add people to His church today--- the same way He did in the NT?

Acts 2:38-42---King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

That's the doctrine one will find being practiced in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."

Care to engage that?

 

[organgrinder]

What is there about the fact the same ole arguments are rehashed here over and over--do we not understand?

And? That still locks you into the crickets cage.



When I believe the post would be an interesting subject for a closer examination--then it becomes a thread. That's not uncommon, nor does it violate any rule, that I am aware of. It does present a concern which seems to irritate the theology the critics push here.

Organ--please don't confuse your diversion for a reason to avoid the topic. If you don't care to answer--that is your pejorative.

Care to engage the concern with something other than the usual diversion the critics pawn here?



That's just another straw man diversion. It does nothing to answer to the posted scriptural testimony--and the topic of this thread:

"Then why the need for a Reformation--with numerous new denominations--with a different theology?

And why the prophecy here?

Acts 3:21---King James Version
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

That's a restoration, not a Reformation. God's gospel is perfect already, and has no need to be reformed.

Does God add people to His church today--- the same way He did in the NT?

Acts 2:38-42---King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

That's the doctrine one will find being practiced in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."

Care to engage that?

If you can't articulate the Gospel-- which you can't-- you are incapable of discussing the reformation of the 1500s and alleged restoration your church teaches. Very simple. Continue to troll. Won't do you any good.

 

[dberrie2020]

If you can't articulate the Gospel--

What is it about the posted scripture which you exclude from the gospel?

Acts 2:38-42---King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

- you are incapable of discussing the reformation of the 1500s

I was interested in why the Reformation was necessary--

Janice Bower said: Christ's Church was never destroyed.

IOW--if Christ's church was never destroyed--then why the need for a Reformation--where numerous new denominations occur--with a different theology?

and alleged restoration your church teaches.

Then that puts The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in with the Biblical testimony:

Acts 3:21---King James Version
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

That's a restoration--not a Reformation.

So--what did the Reformation reform--since the gospel is already perfect?

 

[organgrinder]

What is it about the posted scripture which you exclude from the gospel?

Acts 2:38-42---King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.



I was interested in why the Reformation was necessary--



IOW--if Christ's church was never destroyed--then why the need for a Reformation--where numerous new denominations occur--with a different theology?



Then that puts The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in with the Biblical testimony:

Acts 3:21---King James Version
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

That's a restoration--not a Reformation.

So--what did the Reformation reform--since the gospel is already perfect?

See post #9. Articulate the Gospel. Everything else follows. Or you could keep on trolling.

 

[dberrie2020]

See post #9. Articulate the Gospel. Everything else follows. Or you could keep on trolling.

What follows is post #9 has nothing to do with engaging my post.

Care to engage the posted scriptures?

"What is it about the posted scripture which you exclude from the gospel?

Acts 2:38-42---King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

 

[organgrinder]

What follows is post #9 has nothing to do with engaging my post.

Care to engage the posted scriptures?

"What is it about the posted scripture which you exclude from the gospel?

Acts 2:38-42---King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

It is obvious you are incapable of explaining or articulating the Gospel despite repeated attempts, even in a separate thread. Portions of the Gospel are not the Gospel anymore than the brakes of a car are the car. If you can't even explain the Gospel, your are certainly incapable of discussing anything else related to it. You continue to troll. I will follow Bonnie and others and say "Bye!".

 

[dberrie2020]

Portions of the Gospel are not the Gospel anymore than the brakes of a car are the car.

Brakes are an integral component to the car--and an important component. Just as baptism is an important component of the gospel.

If you can't even explain the Gospel, your are certainly incapable of discussing anything else related to it.

Since the very beginning of the gospel was repentance and water baptism for the remission of sins--what is there which you don't find about that as the gospel of Jesus Christ?

Mark 1:1-5---King James Version
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

That ordinance--with the accompanying authority--is part of the heavenly restoration within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 

[organgrinder]

Brakes are an integral component to the car--and an important component. Just as baptism is an important component of the gospel.



Since the very beginning of the gospel was repentance and water baptism for the remission of sins--what is there which you don't find about that as the gospel of Jesus Christ?

Mark 1:1-5---King James Version
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

That ordinance--with the accompanying authority--is part of the heavenly restoration within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Not the Gospel. Part of it only. When you finally get it right-- and you certainly haven't yet-- I will respond.

 

[CrowCross]

They have no answer, the teachers and preachers won't touch that topic. 😁 🙃 😍

LOL...kinda like this?

 

[dberrie2020]

Not the Gospel. Part of it only.

Part of the gospel is still the gospel. And that's the gospel.

 

[organgrinder]

Part of the gospel is still the gospel. And that's the gospel.

Nope. You simply don't know what it is. No surprise. OK... when can figure it out, I'll answer your little question there. But you won't understand the answer until you actually understand what the Gospel is... not just part of the Gospel. Bye Bye.

 

[Richard7]

Nope. You simply don't know what it is. No surprise. OK... when can figure it out, I'll answer your little question there. But you won't understand the answer until you actually understand what the Gospel is... not just part of the Gospel. Bye Bye.

Acts 2:38​

And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

[organgrinder]

Acts 2:38​

And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Nope. Part of it.