The prophesied Restoration

[dberrie2020]

Your opinion is in error as is your understanding of the church which is not a monolithic institution,

Of course the NT church was monolithic--as to a single denomination.

And those individual churches, which constituted the single denomination--were established by the apostles and elders of the NT:

Acts 16:4---King James Version
4 And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem.

So--which denomination has those qualities today?

 

[organgrinder]

Of course the NT church was monolithic--as to a single denomination.

And those individual churches, which constituted the single denomination--were established by the apostles and elders of the NT:

Acts 16:4---King James Version
4 And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem.

So--which denomination has those qualities today?

There were no "denominations" in the early church. One Lord, One baptism and many individual congregations (assemblies=ekklesia).

 

[dberrie2020]

There were no "denominations" in the early church. One Lord, One baptism and many individual congregations (assemblies=ekklesia).

I believe that to be true--there was a singular denomination, with the individual congregations making up the singular denomination of the church of Jesus Christ.

So--why all the denominations today--claiming they all form the church of Jesus Christ? Where is that found in the Biblical NT? Where are the living, mortal apostles and prophets--with the heavenly events?

The NT church--and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ---are replete with those events.

Hebrews 13:8---King James Version
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 

[organgrinder]

I believe that to be true--there was a singular denomination, with the individual congregations making up the singular denomination of the church of Jesus Christ.

So--why all the denominations today--claiming they all form the church of Jesus Christ? Where is that found in the Biblical NT? Where are the living, mortal apostles and prophets--with the heavenly events?

The NT church--and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ---are replete with those events.

Hebrews 13:8---King James Version
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Read chapters 2 and 3 of Revelation. Seven specific churches. Strengths and weaknesses in each, including beliefs. Commendations, concerns and exhortations.

 

[dberrie2020]

Read chapters 2 and 3 of Revelation. Seven specific churches. Strengths and weaknesses in each, including beliefs. Commendations, concerns and exhortations.

Again--which formed a singular denomination--and Revelation was a spectacular vision of heavenly prophecy, with numerous heavenly appearances.

And it was given through an apostle of Jesus Christ.

Where do we find things as that contained within any denomination today--with the exception of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

Could you name some for us?

Acts 3:21---King James Version
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

 

[organgrinder]

Again--which formed a singular denomination--and Revelation was a spectacular vision of heavenly prophecy, with numerous heavenly appearances.

And it was given through an apostle of Jesus Christ.

Where do we find things as that contained within any denomination today--with the exception of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

Could you name some for us?

Acts 3:21---King James Version
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

You haven't explained the Gospel. I won't waste my time with you.

 

[dberrie2020]

You haven't explained the Gospel. I won't waste my time with you.

It seems as though you consider the scriptures a waste of time to engage:

Mark 1:1-5---King James Version
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Care to explain why that really isn't the gospel?

 

[organgrinder]

It seems as though you consider the scriptures a waste of time to engage:

Mark 1:1-5---King James Version
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Care to explain why that really isn't the gospel?

You haven't explained the Gospel. Try it.

 

[Richard7]

You haven't explained the Gospel. Try it.

Doctrine showing us the good news and how to achieve it... the good News is Jesus Christ and His way....

 

[organgrinder]

Doctrine showing us the good news and how to achieve it... the good News is Jesus Christ and His way....

You did better than dberrie, but still haven't given an explanation. Only a thumbnail. Investigators would want something better than that, and I don't mean six lessons from missionaries. If you can't explain the Gospel, what are you doing here?

 

[Richard7]

You did better than dberrie, but still haven't given an explanation. Only a thumbnail. Investigators would want something better than that, and I don't mean six lessons from missionaries. If you can't explain the Gospel, what are you doing here?

Sorry, there is no other way to find Salvation then by way of Jesus Christ as found in the Gospel (a witness that Jesus is the Christ) .... if you have to have me explain more, then you're in the wrong FORUM.

 

[organgrinder]

Sorry, there is no other way to find Salvation then by way of Jesus Christ as found in the Gospel (a witness that Jesus is the Christ) .... if you have to have me explain more, then you're in the wrong FORUM.

And you still haven't EXPLAINED the Gospel, Ralf, unless you just believe Jesus is the Christ. If that is the case, the devils also believe that. That answer you gave is shallow and would mean nothing to anyone without further amplification. I'm pretty sure you simply don't know how to explain it or else you would. You make for a sad representative of your church. This is basic. Any Christian could tell you the Gospel in 90 seconds or less. That is because it is simple to explain.

As this is the Mormonism forum, the onus is on you to explain what the Gospel is, especially since you believe it has now been restored. What differs from the four synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke John) at the time of Jesus to what you now claim has been restored? If the real Gospel was restored, what is it? Try to actually answer a question.

 

[Richard7]

And you still haven't EXPLAINED the Gospel, Ralf, unless you just believe Jesus is the Christ. If that is the case, the devils also believe that. That answer you gave is shallow and would mean nothing to anyone without further amplification. I'm pretty sure you simply don't know how to explain it or else you would. You make for a sad representative of your church. This is basic. Any Christian could tell you the Gospel in 90 seconds or less. That is because it is simple to explain.

As this is the Mormonism forum, the onus is on you to explain what the Gospel is, especially since you believe it has now been restored. What differs from the four synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke John) at the time of Jesus to what you now claim has been restored? If the real Gospel was restored, what is it? Try to actually answer a question.

That's completely silly... I stated there in no other way on can be saved or achieve salvation but through Jesus Christ... that my friend is the Gospel of Jesus Christ... birth, faith, repentance, baptism, Holy Ghost and Resurrection only through our creator Jesus Christ.
And for those who want to achieve the highest degree of Glory then the ordinances, covenants we make in the Temple to allow us the key words, key signs and proper order of the Patriarchal Covenant.

But then again, you will have to wait until you are preached to in the Spirit World Prison and accept the Plan of Salvation by works done by others in proxy....

 

[organgrinder]

That's completely silly... I stated there in no other way on can be saved or achieve salvation but through Jesus Christ... that my friend is the Gospel of Jesus Christ... birth, faith, repentance, baptism, Holy Ghost and Resurrection only through our creator Jesus Christ.
And for those who want to achieve the highest degree of Glory then the ordinances, covenants we make in the Temple to allow us the key words, key signs and proper order of the Patriarchal Covenant.

But then again, you will have to wait until you are preached to in the Spirit World Prison and accept the Plan of Salvation by works done by others in proxy....

Your answer exactly describes the fact you don't know the Gospel nor can you explain it. Some atheist will ask why is that important? Why is it necessary? Why should he care? You are a Mormon in leadership and can't articulate the Gospel to anyone who is "lost". Pathetic.

 

[dberrie2020]

You haven't explained the Gospel. Try it.

And you haven't explained why repentance and water baptism for the remission of sins isn't the gospel of Jesus Christ:

Mark 1:1-5---King James Version
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Why isn't that good news for mankind?

 

[organgrinder]

And you haven't explained why repentance and water baptism for the remission of sins isn't the gospel of Jesus Christ:

Mark 1:1-5---King James Version
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Why isn't that good news for mankind?

This is the Mormonism, forum. I have answered what the Gospel is in a different forum on CARM. I am waiting for YOU to actually articulate the Gospel and why it is "good news for mankind". So far you have failed miserably as had your colleague Ralf.

 

[Richard7]

Your answer exactly describes the fact you don't know the Gospel nor can you explain it. Some atheist will ask why is that important? Why is it necessary? Why should he care? You are a Mormon in leadership and can't articulate the Gospel to anyone who is "lost". Pathetic.

Well for reasons you don't have the fullness of the Gospel you will have to wait for your belief system which is only partly the fullness to be added onto...really not interested in what you consider the Gospel of Christ, because it's not The Plan of Salvation in its fullness.

 

[Richard7]

Many denominations have sent out apostles. Your church wouldn't be openly promoting the gospel--,even if you or it knew what it was- in China, North Korea or Iran.

I have already responded to your repeated scriptural quotation that you continue to post. That is not the Gospel. Further posting of that same scripture will be ignored.

Well try ignoring the false gospel of the Trinity which no one here can explain.... Oh yea! its a mystery- chuckle.

 

[Richard7]

Your opinion is in error as is your understanding of the church which is not a monolithic institution, but rather a living, breathing organism that is world-wide with Jesus as its head. The church comprises many different "denominations" but are united under the headship of Jesus. The church is world-wide and yet local in its focus. When you understand that, you may actually understand Ephesians 4.

When was the head of the Church, Jesus Christ, ever shown to visit with you and your institutions. OH yea! 2000 yrs ago....

 

[organgrinder]

When was the head of the Church, Jesus Christ, ever shown to visit with you and your institutions. OH yea! 2000 yrs ago....

And you still ignore the questions with deflections.