Its not ironic, the bible is wrong about lots of things. Regardless terms and meanings change.
yet you're not able to provide all those things the bible is wrong about.
When someone who's never actually studied the bible, done what the bible says, says that the bible is wrong, this describes to me an individual who is ignorant of the bible, but likes to use such claims to sidfe-step the issues the bible presents to them--- they're under condemnation for their sin, and will face judgment, unless they turn to God, from their sin, and place their trust in Jesus.
And I say fools are those who are gullible enough to believe the bible is true.
People who never do what the bible says, to learn for themselves, I'd agree.
Jesus calls such people foolish.
26 “But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 27 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.”
What strikes me is t hat while Jesus calls such people FOOLISH, the bible says that person who says there is no God, is a FOOL.
Thus, it seems to me that God himself a distinction.
It's one thing to act foolishly. It's another altogether to be a fool.
I'd add the same thing about people who claim that science, biology, chemistry, physics, math, computer programming, engineering, etc.... are all true, but have never once done them to know for themselves t he truthfulness of these disciplines/endeavors.
Well, I think it is superior as gullibility is not a desirable or useful trait.
I've never seen where gullibility is beneficial.
I have however noticed that a lot of atheists talk about science, as though its real, but have never once actually done or studied such matters. that seems rather gullible to me.
So..... why would you apply it to what you disdain to learn because you don't know, but then praise what you disdain to learn because you don't know?
Don't you think that's hypocritical? Because it sure strikes me as hypocritical.
So... if you want to claim this, then you need to do the same with everything else you've never actually become educated in.
In my case I'm not ignorant. I deconverted from Christianity.
So, you were never actually a follower of Jesus?
I left "christianity" as an 11-12 year old. Actually, I just stopped going to church, because I never believed it in the first place.
I then met Jesus when I was 17.
So, you "deconverting from christianity".... this just tells me you left an idea, and a community of people with whom you never agreed with in the first place.
because I think you're the ignorant one.
I'm sure you do. You're the one who quit church.
I'm following Jesus.
the curious thing is--- he never said--- if you quit, you will know t he truth, and the truth will set you free.
He said--- if you continue in MY teachings, you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
So.... I'm curious.... if I were to try to repair my wife's car, and I took the time to watch the appropriate videos, read the appropriate manuals, etc... relating to the work needing to be done, but after having cracked my knuckles on bolt, with t he wrench, so I stopped the work of repairing her car.... and t hen claim--- yeah. I just never could learn what I needed to fix her car. Too much stuff. Too...... blah, blah, blah.....
Would I in fact have learned what was needed to actually fix her car?
Seems to me that while I had all the necessary information, my quitting is what prevented me from learning the truth. Regardless of whether I cracked a knuckle between a wrench and the bolt, or my head on the hood. I'd have quit.
Thankfully, I have not quit. I did repair her car.... numerous times over the course of the past 30 years. As well as my own cars/trucks.
And I have knocked my head against the hoods, cracked my knuckles on bolts, heads, exhaust pipes, etc....
I've gotten lots of splinters in pieces of fence wood, scraped my knuckles on concrete....
Quitting is never how you learn.
You believe something for which there is no actual, testable evidence.
Well, for someone who quit, I'd have to agree with you.
Quitters don't stick around long enough to see the evidence.
I've heard copious stories over the years of people who went up into the mountains, looking for gold, but never found it. People all around them were walking away with nuggets, and dust,, but they never found squat. They finally quit, only to have the next guy move 3 inches over from their previous spot, and find a 3 ounce nugget. Same with gamblers. I've heard copious stories with gamblers, who spent hundreds of dollars on the slot machines in the casinos, never to win a single penny, walk away, and someone sits down at their seat, drop in a dollar, and win the mega jackpot.
So.... the evidence is there. You quitting prevented you from finding it.
So. telling me there's no evidence.... you're incredibly lazy.
It's been there for millennia.
You just failed to look in the right area.
The good news is--- there's still time for you to return to God, and follow Jesus.
Don't follow the church's idea of JEsus, but the Jesus who is described in the bible.
In Jeremiah 1:10, it says that God had called JEremiah to
9 Then the LORD put forth His hand and touched my mouth, and the LORD said to me:
“Behold, I have put My words in your mouth.
10 See, I have this day set you over the nations and over the kingdoms, To
root out and to pull down,
To destroy and to throw down, To build and to plant.”
One of the problems I've seen quite frequently is that people have to go through the process of having their false ideas rooted out, pulled down, destroyed, and thrown down. That's not an easy process, because it requires time to do so.
A lot of people are not willing to have their most cherished preconceptions stripped away from them.
Or had you never wondered why Jesus said--- If anyone WANTS to be my disciple, they MUST deny themselves, and pick up t heir cross daily. ?
It's a matter of letting go of what we think, and confronting the Truth--- who IS Jesus.
So..... that you quit church..... not even remotely surprising. A lot of people do it. Jesus further described this in Matthew 13--- the guy who's seed fell on the rocky soil. Things were all kopasthetic until they got too hard. then he quit.
You reason only far enough to confirm your bias but no further.
So..... reasoning that doesn't fit your bias isn't reasoning?
Curious how that works.
How're your knuckles?
Got any splinters lately?
That's the foundation of ignorance.
Indeed. You quit church. Apparently, from your own description, you never actually met Jesus.
Now, I'm sure you'll disagree but even if you give an example of why that isn't the case, it won't actually support your position.
Yeah, and had I not had so many scars from actually living out the examples I'd provided you with above, I'd agree with you.
But telling me that such experiences won't support "my position", that's like telling me--- no matter what you say, you're a liar, and cannot be right, regardless of what the truth is.
So.... congratulations. You've just demonstrated to me that it's you who is indeed biased, ignorant, and happy being so.
And if you don't give an example it'll just be excuses -like the excuse that God said he'd give us the means to know him. Its an excuse -you can't actually make the case that your God exists outside of your imagination.
Oh, I think I provided plenty of examples above.
Why not tell me your examples.
