The reason why

dberrie2020

Well-known member
There are some which believe the command to obey the commandments was only part of the Mosaic Law--so, when the Mosaic Law was fulfilled--the commandments, and the need to obey them, as it relates to eternal life--passed away also.

There is something to say about that, especially seeing the requirement to obey the commandments, and the link to obeying the commandments and eternal life--is well established in the Biblical NT:

Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

So--what's up with that? I'll try and condense my comments for now--we can expand on the particulars later, perhaps.

As we review the Biblical OT--we come across this curious testimony:

Genesis 26:4---King James Version
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes,

As Paul testified to--Abraham lived under the gospel--and obeyed the commandments under the gospel, not the Mosaic Law--as Abraham was 4000 years prior to the Mosaic Law:

Galatians 3:8---King James Version
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

And, as Paul testified to--the Mosaic Law was added to the gospel when Israel became hardened:

Galatians 3:19---King James Version
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

That's the reason, when the Mosaic Law was fulfilled--the commandments remained--because it was part of the gospel before the Mosaic Law was added.

1 John 2:3-4---King James Version
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in
 

Gary Mac

Member
There are some which believe the command to obey the commandments was only part of the Mosaic Law--so, when the Mosaic Law was fulfilled--the commandments, and the need to obey them, as it relates to eternal life--passed away also.

There is something to say about that, especially seeing the requirement to obey the commandments, and the link to obeying the commandments and eternal life--is well established in the Biblical NT:

Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

So--what's up with that? I'll try and condense my comments for now--we can expand on the particulars later, perhaps.

As we review the Biblical OT--we come across this curious testimony:

Genesis 26:4---King James Version
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes,

As Paul testified to--Abraham lived under the gospel--and obeyed the commandments under the gospel, not the Mosaic Law--as Abraham was 4000 years prior to the Mosaic Law:

Galatians 3:8---King James Version
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

And, as Paul testified to--the Mosaic Law was added to the gospel when Israel became hardened:

Galatians 3:19---King James Version
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

That's the reason, when the Mosaic Law was fulfilled--the commandments remained--because it was part of the gospel before the Mosaic Law was added.

1 John 2:3-4---King James Version
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in
If one has the Spirit of God as your own disposition, that of Love, you will fulfill every law of God in yourself for it become automatic those laws becomes who you are. Trying to uphold the law without His Spirit of Love is impossible to do so. Try and you will fail miserably, but if they are who you are there is no effort involved at all.
 

dberrie2020

Well-known member
If one has the Spirit of God as your own disposition, that of Love, you will fulfill every law of God in yourself for it become automatic those laws becomes who you are. Trying to uphold the law without His Spirit of Love is impossible to do so. Try and you will fail miserably,
Hi Gary:
I agree. That's a good point.
 

RayneBeau

Well-known member
There are some which believe the command to obey the commandments was only part of the Mosaic Law--so, when the Mosaic Law was fulfilled--the commandments, and the need to obey them, as it relates to eternal life--passed away also.

There is something to say about that, especially seeing the requirement to obey the commandments, and the link to obeying the commandments and eternal life--is well established in the Biblical NT:

Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

So--what's up with that? I'll try and condense my comments for now--we can expand on the particulars later, perhaps.

As we review the Biblical OT--we come across this curious testimony:

Genesis 26:4---King James Version
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes,

As Paul testified to--Abraham lived under the gospel--and obeyed the commandments under the gospel, not the Mosaic Law--as Abraham was 4000 years prior to the Mosaic Law:

Galatians 3:8---King James Version
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

And, as Paul testified to--the Mosaic Law was added to the gospel when Israel became hardened:

Galatians 3:19---King James Version
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

That's the reason, when the Mosaic Law was fulfilled--the commandments remained--because it was part of the gospel before the Mosaic Law was added.

1 John 2:3-4---King James Version
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in
God did not intend the Mosaic system to be permanent. It was merely a temporary arrangement to teach men that they must come to him through a priest, and by means of a sacrificial death. But when the Son of God came, as the perfect fulfilment of all that the old system signified, the old covenant and its sacrificial system were set aside and a new covenant and a perfect means of coming to God took its place. Thus 'there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. Christ Himself said, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me."
 

civic

Active member
There are some which believe the command to obey the commandments was only part of the Mosaic Law--so, when the Mosaic Law was fulfilled--the commandments, and the need to obey them, as it relates to eternal life--passed away also.

There is something to say about that, especially seeing the requirement to obey the commandments, and the link to obeying the commandments and eternal life--is well established in the Biblical NT:

Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

So--what's up with that? I'll try and condense my comments for now--we can expand on the particulars later, perhaps.

As we review the Biblical OT--we come across this curious testimony:

Genesis 26:4---King James Version
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes,

As Paul testified to--Abraham lived under the gospel--and obeyed the commandments under the gospel, not the Mosaic Law--as Abraham was 4000 years prior to the Mosaic Law:

Galatians 3:8---King James Version
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

And, as Paul testified to--the Mosaic Law was added to the gospel when Israel became hardened:

Galatians 3:19---King James Version
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

That's the reason, when the Mosaic Law was fulfilled--the commandments remained--because it was part of the gospel before the Mosaic Law was added.

1 John 2:3-4---King James Version
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in
Are you a Jew under the law- the old covenant, testament ?

Or are you a gentile under the New Covenant of His blood ?

Hebrews 8:13- By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Hebrews 10:1-5
For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near. 2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have had consciousness of sins? 3 But in those sacrifices, there is a reminder of sins year by year. 4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

Hebrews 10:11-14
Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

Hebrews 10:15-18
The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”

17 Then he adds: “Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.” 18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

Hebrews 9:15-18
For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.16 In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17 because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. 18 This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood.

Ephesians 2:11-22
Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17 And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

Galatians 3:21-26
Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.

2 Corinthians 3:2-11

You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; 3 being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

4 Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. 5 Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, 6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

7 But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. 10 For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. 11 For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.

Colossians 2:13-14
And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

hope this helps !!!
 

Gary Mac

Member
God did not intend the Mosaic system to be permanent. It was merely a temporary arrangement to teach men that they must come to him through a priest, and by means of a sacrificial death. But when the Son of God came, as the perfect fulfilment of all that the old system signified, the old covenant and its sacrificial system were set aside and a new covenant and a perfect means of coming to God took its place. Thus 'there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. Christ Himself said, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me."
The law is only a tutorial, schoolmaster, to lead you to Christ which is to be anointed of God and once faith is achieved we become exactly like the Father of it and in His same image. In that the law is fulfilled, it did its job.
 

Thistle

Well-known member
There are some which believe the command to obey the commandments was only part of the Mosaic Law--so, when the Mosaic Law was fulfilled--the commandments, and the need to obey them, as it relates to eternal life--passed away also.

There is something to say about that, especially seeing the requirement to obey the commandments, and the link to obeying the commandments and eternal life--is well established in the Biblical NT:

Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

So--what's up with that? I'll try and condense my comments for now--we can expand on the particulars later, perhaps.
Well, there are two ways to get into heaven, if you will. One is to simply obey all that God requires of you, completely, perpetually, and cumulatively. Jesus did it, so it can be done. All the ten commandments have been affirmed in the New Testament except "remember the Sabbath." And of course Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial law by becoming our high priest ending the Aaronic priesthood. But don't think this is easier. Where there were 613 laws in the Old Testament there are nearly a thousand in the New. And the standards of New Testament laws are about ten times harder to keep [see the sermon on the mount]. So when we come to Romans 3:23 to discover that "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" we'd better hope there is an alternative to law keeping to getting into heaven. Happily there is an alternative. It's called grace. Grace doesn't relieve us of having to obey the New Testament law. It's just that, that law keeping requirement isn't our ticket into heaven, grace is.
As we review the Biblical OT--we come across this curious testimony:

Genesis 26:4---King James Version
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes,

As Paul testified to--Abraham lived under the gospel--and obeyed the commandments under the gospel, not the Mosaic Law--as Abraham was 4000 years prior to the Mosaic Law:
Yes, and you correctly identify the proper distinction. Gospel commands vs. Works of the law. Paul actually shows the two kinds of commands in one verse:

Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. - Romans 3:27-28 NASB

So, what we see here is a law of works and a law of faith. Let's look a little further.

The word of God kept on spreading; and the number of the disciples continued to increase greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were becoming obedient to the faith. - Acts 6:7 NASB

However, they did not all
heed the good news; for Isaiah says, "LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?" - Romans 10:16 NASB

dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who
do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. - 2 Thessalonians 1:8 NASB

For [it is] time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if [it] [begins] with us first, what [will be] the outcome for those who do not
obey the gospel of God? - 1 Peter 4:17 NASB

So in each of these passages we see a dividing line between the saved and the lost based on obeying "the gospel, the good news, or the faith." And this "law of faith" can't be like the "law of works" because Paul tells us in Ephesians 2:8-9 that that law of works won't save us. So when we are given imperative instruction about receiving grace, that is "obeying the gospel," or submitting to "the law of faith." Obeying those nearly a thousand other commands, is the law of works. And although we are obligated to keep the law of works, it just doesn't save us.
Galatians 3:8---King James Version
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

And, as Paul testified to--the Mosaic Law was added to the gospel when Israel became hardened:
Well, don't over state the point. The moral law, nine out of the ten commandments, survive in New Testament law. The civil and ceremonial law of the Jews does not survive, because Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial law by becoming high priest, and fulfilled the civil law of the Jews by becoming the King of the Jews whose "kingdom is not of this world" as he told Pilate. Thus Jesus is the king of a universal Israel including all of God's people.
Galatians 3:19---King James Version
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

That's the reason, when the Mosaic Law was fulfilled--the commandments remained--because it was part of the gospel before the Mosaic Law was added.
I agree that the moral law contained in the old law is even made more exacting in the New Testament. But much of the Mosaic Law, namely the civil law of the Jews, and the ceremonial law of the Jews, being fulfilled, does not survive to create an obligation for us.
1 John 2:3-4---King James Version
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in
Right we obey "his commandments" because we are saved, not to achieve salvation.
 

Gary Mac

Member
Well, there are two ways to get into heaven, if you will. One is to simply obey all that God requires of you, completely, perpetually, and cumulatively. Jesus did it, so it can be done. All the ten commandments have been affirmed in the New Testament except "remember the Sabbath." And of course Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial law by becoming our high priest ending the Aaronic priesthood. But don't think this is easier. Where there were 613 laws in the Old Testament there are nearly a thousand in the New. And the standards of New Testament laws are about ten times harder to keep [see the sermon on the mount]. So when we come to Romans 3:23 to discover that "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" we'd better hope there is an alternative to law keeping to getting into heaven. Happily there is an alternative. It's called grace. Grace doesn't relieve us of having to obey the New Testament law. It's just that, that law keeping requirement isn't our ticket into heaven, grace is.

Yes, and you correctly identify the proper distinction. Gospel commands vs. Works of the law. Paul actually shows the two kinds of commands in one verse:

Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. - Romans 3:27-28 NASB

So, what we see here is a law of works and a law of faith. Let's look a little further.

The word of God kept on spreading; and the number of the disciples continued to increase greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were becoming obedient to the faith. - Acts 6:7 NASB

However, they did not all
heed the good news; for Isaiah says, "LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?" - Romans 10:16 NASB

dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who
do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. - 2 Thessalonians 1:8 NASB

For [it is] time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if [it] [begins] with us first, what [will be] the outcome for those who do not
obey the gospel of God? - 1 Peter 4:17 NASB

So in each of these passages we see a dividing line between the saved and the lost based on obeying "the gospel, the good news, or the faith." And this "law of faith" can't be like the "law of works" because Paul tells us in Ephesians 2:8-9 that that law of works won't save us. So when we are given imperative instruction about receiving grace, that is "obeying the gospel," or submitting to "the law of faith." Obeying those nearly a thousand other commands, is the law of works. And although we are obligated to keep the law of works, it just doesn't save us.

Well, don't over state the point. The moral law, nine out of the ten commandments, survive in New Testament law. The civil and ceremonial law of the Jews does not survive, because Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial law by becoming high priest, and fulfilled the civil law of the Jews by becoming the King of the Jews whose "kingdom is not of this world" as he told Pilate. Thus Jesus is the king of a universal Israel including all of God's people.

I agree that the moral law contained in the old law is even made more exacting in the New Testament. But much of the Mosaic Law, namely the civil law of the Jews, and the ceremonial law of the Jews, being fulfilled, does not survive to create an obligation for us.

Right we obey "his commandments" because we are saved, not to achieve salvation.
Two ways to get into heaven? Jesus was clear that the kingdom of God, heaven, does not come withj observation it is withn you. Luke 17:20-21
 

Bonnie

Well-known member
There are some which believe the command to obey the commandments was only part of the Mosaic Law--so, when the Mosaic Law was fulfilled--the commandments, and the need to obey them, as it relates to eternal life--passed away also.

There is something to say about that, especially seeing the requirement to obey the commandments, and the link to obeying the commandments and eternal life--is well established in the Biblical NT:

Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

So--what's up with that? I'll try and condense my comments for now--we can expand on the particulars later, perhaps.

As we review the Biblical OT--we come across this curious testimony:

Genesis 26:4---King James Version
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes,

As Paul testified to--Abraham lived under the gospel--and obeyed the commandments under the gospel, not the Mosaic Law--as Abraham was 4000 years prior to the Mosaic Law:

Galatians 3:8---King James Version
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

And, as Paul testified to--the Mosaic Law was added to the gospel when Israel became hardened:

Galatians 3:19---King James Version
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

That's the reason, when the Mosaic Law was fulfilled--the commandments remained--because it was part of the gospel before the Mosaic Law was added.

1 John 2:3-4---King James Version
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in
Abe kept God's commandments in that he obeyed God when God told him what to do:

8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God....

17 By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, 18 even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[c] 19 Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death.
Heb. 11, NIV

These are the commandments of God that Abe obeyed. But--BY WHAT did he obey God? Care to tell us?
 

civic

Active member
There are some which believe the command to obey the commandments was only part of the Mosaic Law--so, when the Mosaic Law was fulfilled--the commandments, and the need to obey them, as it relates to eternal life--passed away also.

There is something to say about that, especially seeing the requirement to obey the commandments, and the link to obeying the commandments and eternal life--is well established in the Biblical NT:

Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

So--what's up with that? I'll try and condense my comments for now--we can expand on the particulars later, perhaps.

As we review the Biblical OT--we come across this curious testimony:

Genesis 26:4---King James Version
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes,

As Paul testified to--Abraham lived under the gospel--and obeyed the commandments under the gospel, not the Mosaic Law--as Abraham was 4000 years prior to the Mosaic Law:

Galatians 3:8---King James Version
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

And, as Paul testified to--the Mosaic Law was added to the gospel when Israel became hardened:

Galatians 3:19---King James Version
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

That's the reason, when the Mosaic Law was fulfilled--the commandments remained--because it was part of the gospel before the Mosaic Law was added.

1 John 2:3-4---King James Version
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in
Are you a Jew under the law- the old covenant, testament ?

Or are you a gentile under the New Covenant of His blood ?

Hebrews 8:13- By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Hebrews 10:1-5
For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near. 2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have had consciousness of sins? 3 But in those sacrifices, there is a reminder of sins year by year. 4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

Hebrews 10:11-14
Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

Hebrews 10:15-18
The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”

17 Then he adds: “Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.” 18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

Hebrews 9:15-18
For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.16 In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17 because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. 18 This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood.

Ephesians 2:11-22
Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17 And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

Galatians 3:21-26
Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.

2 Corinthians 3:2-11

You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; 3 being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

4 Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. 5 Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, 6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

7 But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. 10 For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. 11 For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.

Colossians 2:13-14
And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

hope this helps !!!
 

civic

Active member
Hi Gary:
I agree. That's a good point.
Galatians 3:1-3; 10-13

You foolish Galatians!
Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us,
 

e v e

Active member
There are some which believe the command to obey the commandments was only part of the Mosaic Law--so, when the Mosaic Law was fulfilled--the commandments, and the need to obey them, as it relates to eternal life--passed away also.

There is something to say about that, especially seeing the requirement to obey the commandments, and the link to obeying the commandments and eternal life--is well established in the Biblical NT:
I don't believe that any word of Him is less relevant now than at the time when the 10 commandments were given. The purpose of the ten commandments is to protect the soul from the carnal self, which cannot hear Him and is depraved and which is a foreign entity (the natural mind).

The law cancelled by christ is the law of this world, which is not and never was His law. His law is valid and never changed and if we want to go Home we need to listen to Him. We have the same promise Abraham did....

Christ made it Legally possible that we to be saved (which is the change /rapture). But somehow modern religion has turned the legal into a de facto. the whole purpose of scripture is to get us back, to the other realm (as New Eden). That is "being saved", the undoing of the fall and restoration to the intended resurrection eden body for each of us. What we have is a legal chance to go Home, because now we can meet Him and accept Him and His promise; the same as with Abraham, who met the Lord and also had His promise.
 
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