Arkycharlie
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Question: Did the earthly ministry of Jesus, beginning at His baptism, fulfill the first half of Daniel's 70 Weeks, leaving only the last half to be fulfilled in the future? My answer is without a doubt yes!
5 Then I, Daniel, looked and behold, two others were standing, one on this bank of the river and the other on that bank of the river.
6 And one said to the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long will it be until the end of these wonders?”
7 I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, as he raised his right hand and his left toward heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time; and as soon as they finish shattering the power of the holy people, all these events will be completed.
8 As for me, I heard but could not understand; so I said, “My lord, what will be the outcome of these events?”
9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up UNTIL THE END TIME.
10 Many will be purged, purified and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand.
Old Greek (Septuagint) Circa 150 B.C. | Theodotion Circa 200 A.D. | Peshitta Aramaic OT Circa 200 A.D. | Jerome Circa 407 A.D. | Young's Literal Translation Circa 1862 | Bible in Basic English (BBE) 1949 | God's Word Translation 1995 | Modern English Translation of The Jewish Tanakh | Modern English New King James |
26 And after seven and seventy and sixty two weeks, an anointing will be removed and will not be. And a king of nations will demolish the city and the sanctuary along with the anointed one, and his consummation will come with wrath even until the time of consummation. He will be attacked through war. | 26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointing will be destroyed, and there is no judgment in it. And it will destroy the city and the sanctuary along with the leader who is to come. And they will be cut off by a flood, and there will be annihilations to the finish of a shortened war. | 26 After sixty-two times seven weeks, Messiah shall be slain, and the city shall be without a ruler; and the holy city shall be destroyed together with the coming king; and the end thereof shall be a mass exile, and at the end of the war, desolations are determined | 26 And after sixty-two weeks Christ shall be slain, and the people that shall deny Him shall not be His. And a people, with their leader that shall come, shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. And the end thereof shall be devastation, and after the end of the war there shall be the appointed desolation | 26 And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end [is] with a flood, and till the end [is] war, determined [are] desolations. | 26 And at the end of the times, even after the sixty-two weeks, one on whom the holy oil has been put will be cut off and have no ...; and the town and the holy place will be made waste together with a prince; and the end will come with an overflowing of waters, and even to the end there will be war; the making waste which has been fixed. | 26 But after the sixty-two sets of seven time periods, the Anointed One will be cut off and have nothing. The city and the holy place will be destroyed with the prince who is to come. His end will come with a flood until the end of the destructive war that has been determined. | 26 And after the threescore and two weeks shall an anointed one be cut off, and be no more; and the people of a prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; but his end shall be with a flood; and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. | 26 And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined. |
Question: Did the earthly ministry of Jesus, beginning at His baptism, fulfill the first half of Daniel's 70 Weeks, leaving only the last half to be fulfilled in the future?
Thanks for pointing out my error! Yes, I meant to say Daniel's 70th week. My mistake.Did you mean to say “Daniel’s 70 Weeks”?
Or did you mean “Daniel’s 70th Week”?
Question: Did the earthly ministry of Jesus, beginning at His baptism, fulfill the first half of Daniel's 70 Weeks, leaving only the last half to be fulfilled in the future? My answer is without a doubt yes!
I find no warrant to allow the 70 Week Prophecy to be split as I find no other time period being split. To bring us near to the return of Christ we have been given the 2300 days and I believe a major fulfillment of this is from BC 334-333 to AD 1967. I have a different perspective on the events surrounding the return of Christ and the Antichrist. I identify the Papacy as the Antichrist, starting with an explanation of Daniel 7. Many will oppose Christ when he returns and some of these will proclaim that Jesus is the Antichrist, and I assume some of these opponents will be some dispensationalists who hold the view that the Antichrist will establish himself in Jerusalem.NO, the 7 year treaty, as described in Daniel 9:27, must be continuous.
The whole seven years will be the final time before Jesus Returns. It will be divided into 2 halves; the first half will be peaceful as the treaty holds, but then the Anti-Christ will break it by attacking and conquering the holy peoples. Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:5-8
I'd like to see support for that in Scripture. The OT tells us where the AC will arise and it most certainly is not in Europe!Greetings Arkycharlie and Keraz,
I identify the Papacy as the Antichrist, starting with an explanation of Daniel 7.
Kind regards
Trevor
The Antichrist is the Papal system. It arose out of one of the ten subdivisions of the Roman Empire in Europe, it gained three of the ten portions sometimes called the Papal States which she lost in AD 1870, 1260 years after AD 610 the Decree of Phocas, she spoke great things against the Most High and His Faith and Truth, claiming to be Christ's representative on earth, the Vicar of Christ, and claiming to be "father" (the Pope), she persecuted the faithful during these 1260 years, and the Papacy will oppose Christ when he returns.I'd like to see support for that in Scripture. The OT tells us where the AC will arise and it most certainly is not in Europe!
Good look with that theory.Greetings again Arkycharlie,
The Antichrist is the Papal system. It arose out of one of the ten subdivisions of the Roman Empire in Europe, it gained three of the ten portions sometimes called the Papal States which she lost in AD 1870, 1260 years after AD 610 the Decree of Phocas, she spoke great things against the Most High and His Faith and Truth, claiming to be Christ's representative on earth, the Vicar of Christ, and claiming to be "father" (the Pope), she persecuted the faithful during these 1260 years, and the Papacy will oppose Christ when he returns.
Daniel 7:8,20-26 (KJV):8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. 21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; 22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. 23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. 25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Kind regards
Trevor
I don't suppose that you have ever understood what was suppose to take place in the 70 weeks but Daniel tells us in verse 24, and none of it has anything whatsoever to do with the antichrist and everything to do with the real Christ Jesus and especially "reconciliation for iniquity".I read, understand and believe what the Bible plainly states.
I have never been brainwashed by a Bible College and the Methodist Church that my parents brought me up in, never mentioned Bible Prophecy at all. I also reject all the Commentaries, Jerome's included.
So my views on the end time events yet to happen, are what is clearly Written.
Jesus did NOT fulfil the first half of the Seventieth Week at His first Advent. There is no evidence that He did. He was Crucified at the exact end of the 69th week.
By the way, where did you get this idea of a 7 year treaty? That isn't at all what Daniel 9:27 is speaking of but rather a confirming of the covenant and by the way, a confirming of the covenant isn't the same thing as only making the covenant but it means to make the covenant strong to the many.NO, the 7 year treaty, as described in Daniel 9:27, must be continuous.
The whole seven years will be the final time before Jesus Returns. It will be divided into 2 halves; the first half will be peaceful as the treaty holds, but then the Anti-Christ will break it by attacking and conquering the holy peoples. Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:5-8
Sorry but there is no way that a covenant or treaty could be confirmed (made strong or made to prevail) for 7 full years and at the same time be broken in the middle and you are getting this nonsense from the false teachers you are listening to, for that is not what Daniel is revealing here.NO, the 7 year treaty, as described in Daniel 9:27, must be continuous.
The whole seven years will be the final time before Jesus Returns. It will be divided into 2 halves; the first half will be peaceful as the treaty holds, but then the Anti-Christ will break it by attacking and conquering the holy peoples. Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:5-8
With comments like that, discussion with you is finished.I don't suppose that you have ever understood
Of course it is and the real reason why, is because you now know that there are big problems with your theory about the 70 7's prophecy of Daniel 9 and the biggest is that if there was a gap in between the 69th and 70th week like you claim, then the work of the Messiah would all be outside of the 70 weeks instead of in the 70 weeks like verse 24 very clearly shows that it would be.With comments like that, discussion with you is finished.
Good luck with your studies and remember to stand firm in your faith when the Lord strikes the earth with His fiery wrath.
Take a look at- logostelos.info for many articles that explain the Prophetic Word.
The Antichrist is the Papal system. It arose out of one of the ten subdivisions of the Roman Empire in Europe, it gained three of the ten portions sometimes called the Papal States which she lost in AD 1870, 1260 years after AD 610 the Decree of Phocas, she spoke great things against the Most High and His Faith and Truth, claiming to be Christ's representative on earth, the Vicar of Christ, and claiming to be "father" (the Pope), she persecuted the faithful during these 1260 years, and the Papacy will oppose Christ when he returns.
Good look with that theory.
No I was not aware of this. and do not know how where you obtained this information and whether it is correct. Are you simply saying that there has been a gradual drift away from this view and this period marks approximately this shift, or are you saying that WWII was instrumental in this change, and what do you assess is the reason for this effect from WWII?I am curious...
Are you aware that a majority of Protestants believed that theory before World War II?
I am not asking if you agree with the theory, but rather are you aware of the fact that theory was held my a majority of Protestants before WW2.
I would say that whatever it was, it probably had to do with the fact that many believed that Hitler was the man of sin because of the false doctrine that the beast would be waging war against ethnic non repentant Israel of the flesh and like they do today also.Greetings Yahchristian,
No I was not aware of this. and do not know how where you obtained this information and whether it is correct. Are you simply saying that there has been a gradual drift away from this view and this period marks approximately this shift, or are you saying that WWII was instrumental in this change, and what do you assess is the reason for this effect from WWII?
Kind regards
Trevor