The Son Distinct from The Angels

[James Jones]

The Bible makes a clear and unmistakable distinction between Jesus and the angels in Hebrews chapter 1. To which of the angels did God ever say? pens the writer.
He was made so much better than the angels as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.
In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”
But about the Son he says....

 

[jamesh]

The Bible makes a clear and unmistakable distinction between Jesus and the angels in Hebrews chapter 1. To which of the angels did God ever say? pens the writer.
He was made so much better than the angels as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.
In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”
But about the Son he says....

That's right James Jones! In fact Charles Russell agrees with this statement at Hebrews 1:6. Please read the following.

https://imgur.com/y6dOdXe

Later on the Jw's said this is not true because "New Light" suddenly appeared to discount what Russell stated.

https://imgur.com/a1q1mnG

IN GOD THE SON,
james

 

[Oseas]

The Bible makes a clear and unmistakable distinction between Jesus and the angels in Hebrews chapter 1. To which of the angels did God ever say? pens the writer.
He was made so much better than the angels as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.
In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”
But about the Son he says....

But unto the Son -JESUS- , GOD saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

1 Hebrews 1:8 - Complete Jewish Bible

8 but to the Son, he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever;
you rule your Kingdom with a scepter of equity;

 

[keiw]

Without God making his name so much better than the angels, means if God didn't he was equal to the angels----Psalm 45:7--Israelites knew 100% Jesus has a God--partners= angels. Your translations are filled with misleading errors. That is fact. Your bibles are altered just by the fact wicked men who had no right removed Gods name in 7000 spots. Only the wicked fear using Gods name in vain, the righteous love that name and use it as God wills. The wicked keep that name out of their translations. You all better relook.

 

[Nathan P]

Without God making his name so much better than the angels, means if God didn't he was equal to the angels----Psalm 45:7--Israelites knew 100% Jesus has a God--partners= angels. Your translations are filled with misleading errors. That is fact. Your bibles are altered just by the fact wicked men who had no right removed Gods name in 7000 spots. Only the wicked fear using Gods name in vain, the righteous love that name and use it as God wills. The wicked keep that name out of their translations. You all better relook.

I see you pointed out that by making his name so much better than the angels and that if God had not done so then he was equal to the angels. Even by being better than the angels by name does not mean he is a better type of angel. He has more power than the other angels. But it looks like he sees the point?

 

[keiw]

The Bible makes a clear and unmistakable distinction between Jesus and the angels in Hebrews chapter 1. To which of the angels did God ever say? pens the writer.
He was made so much better than the angels as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.
In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”
But about the Son he says....

Yes made better once God gave him a name above theirs. Without getting that name he was equal to the angels.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings keiw,

Yes made better once God gave him a name above theirs. Without getting that name he was equal to the angels.

God did not simply arbitrarily give Jesus a Name, but Jesus has been exalted above the Angels because of what was accomplished in and through him in his suffering, death and resurrection. It is because he was willing to suffer that God exalted him, he was willing to empty himself, to pour out his life unto death in humble submission to God, his Father:

Philippians 2:7–11 (KJV): 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Hebrews 2:5–9 (KJV): 5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. 6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: 8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

The Angels stand in God's presence, while Jesus was invited to sit at the right hand of God:
Psalm 110:1 (KJV): The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Hebrews 1:13–14 (KJV): 13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Nathan P]

Greetings keiw,

God did not simply arbitrarily give Jesus a Name, but Jesus has been exalted above the Angels because of what was accomplished in and through him in his suffering, death and resurrection. It is because he was willing to suffer that God exalted him, he was willing to empty himself, to pour out his life unto death in humble submission to God, his Father:

Philippians 2:7–11 (KJV): 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Hebrews 2:5–9 (KJV): 5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. 6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: 8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

The Angels stand in God's presence, while Jesus was invited to sit at the right hand of God:
Psalm 110:1 (KJV): The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Hebrews 1:13–14 (KJV): 13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Kind regards
Trevor

Just answer and that is before he got that name to be better than the angels he was equal to the angels correct?

 

[keiw]

I see you pointed out that by making his name so much better than the angels and that if God had not done so then he was equal to the angels. Even by being better than the angels by name does not mean he is a better type of angel. He has more power than the other angels. But it looks like he sees the point?

He is the archangel.

 

[jamesh]

He is the archangel.

Who in the world told you and Nathan that Jesus Christ is an angel/arc angel? Where in the Bible does it directly say Jesus is an angel? In fact, where did Jesus ever say he's an angel? This is going to be good!

IN GOD THE SON,
james

 

[Nathan P]

Who in the world told you and Nathan that Jesus Christ is an angel/arc angel? Where in the Bible does it directly say Jesus is an angel? In fact, where did Jesus ever say he's an angel? This is going to be good!

IN GOD THE SON,
jame

At rev. 5: 1-11 only Jesus is worthy to open the scroll and know what is in it after it is taken from the Father. Since the angel tells John about the scroll in Revelations then the angel has to be Jesus because only Jesus would be worthy to tell John that information. Also at the first part of Revelations it was given to Jesus by God to tell them what will happen soon, then 1 angel is sent to John, then John is a witness to 1 and that is Jesus about the word of God. Meaning since 1 angel was sent to tell John about the word of God and John was a witness to only 1 about the word of God then the angel sent and Jesus have to be 1 and the same.

 

[jamesh]

At rev. 5: 1-11 only Jesus is worthy to open the scroll and know what is in it after it is taken from the Father. Since the angel tells John about the scroll in Revelations then the angel has to be Jesus because only Jesus would be worthy to tell John that information. Also at the first part of Revelations it was given to Jesus by God to tell them what will happen soon, then 1 angel is sent to John, then John is a witness to 1 and that is Jesus about the word of God. Meaning since 1 angel was sent to tell John about the word of God and John was a witness to only 1 about the word of God then the angel sent and Jesus have to be 1 and the same.

Your not listening, show me in the Bible where Jesus said he is an angel?

In Him,
james

 

[Nathan P]

Your not listening, show me in the Bible where Jesus said he is an angel?

In Him,
james

You asked where in the bible does it say Jesus is an angel and I showed you.

 

[jamesh]

You asked where in the bible does it say Jesus is an angel and I showed you.

I also said where did Jesus ever say he was an angel? Read what I stated again and quit trying to "weasel" out of answering. I even gave proof of Charlie Taze Russel saying Jesus was not an angel and that Jesus should be worshipped, not in the sense of paying obesiance.

I Him
james

 

[Nathan P]

I also said where did Jesus ever say he was an angel? Read what I stated again and quit trying to "weasel" out of answering. I even gave proof of Charlie Taze Russel saying Jesus was not an angel and that Jesus should be worshipped, not in the sense of paying obesiance.

I Him
james

I can not help it if that Russel guy did not figure out from those 2 scriptures that it is saying Jesus was an angel. It has nothing to do with you wanting to know if Jesus said he was an angel and instead it has to do with what the bible says.

 

[Nathan P]

I also said where did Jesus ever say he was an angel? Read what I stated again and quit trying to "weasel" out of answering. I even gave proof of Charlie Taze Russel saying Jesus was not an angel and that Jesus should be worshipped, not in the sense of paying obesiance.

I Him
james

Also at the first part of Revelations where it was given to Jesus by God to tell them what will happen soon, that means Jesus would tell them what would happen soon correct? Then at rev. 22:6 an angel was sent to tell them what will happen soon. Meaning since Jesus was to tell them what would happen soon, then he had to be the angel sent at 22:6 to tell them what would happen soon or you are saying someone had to repeat to them what Jesus told them.

 

[jamesh]

I can not help it if that Russel guy did not figure out from those 2 scriptures that it is saying Jesus was an angel. It has nothing to do with you wanting to know if Jesus said he was an angel and instead it has to do with what the bible says.

I agree with you when you said, "it has to do with what the Bible says." So show me where it says in the Bible that Jesus said he was an angel?
In Him,
james

 

[Nathan P]

I agree with you when you said, "it has to do with what the Bible says." So show me where it says in the Bible that Jesus said he was an angel?
In Him,
james

I just told you and it has nothing to do with what you think Jesus said and instead it has to do with what the bible says.

 

[jamesh]

I just told you and it has nothing to do with what you think Jesus said and instead it has to do with what the bible says.

Again I agree it has do with what the Bible says. So where in the BIBLE where Jesus stated he was an angel. Common sense dictates if the Bible does not say it then it's not true that Jesus is an angel. And btw, how can Jesus be an angel when the Bible teaches he's a created man like the rest of us?

If I as a man bark like a dog it does not mean I'm actually a dog. I'm still a human man by nature. Prove me wrong?

In Him,
james

 

[Nathan P]

Your not listening, show me in the Bible where Jesus said he is an angel?

In Him,
james

It does not and you are asking for something that was never there.