The sons of God and the daughters of men

Type 1. “Mighty Men”. Ordinary men of valor, “A Warrior”.
Follow the bible. as stated above the Nephilim/giants are the Mighty men. a "Mighty Man" known as a Nephilim dose not always mean in "height" only, but we’re going to look at that also. it can mean a STRONG MAN, a VALIANT MAN, or a WARRIOR in battle. again look at the definition above again to be sure. My source for this definition is from, Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments. (see last post)

lets find these “mighty men”/Nephilim, and trace them back to their origins. again, don't let Nephilim stick in your head only as GIANTS in stature ONLY. The tradition of men have planted this notion in men heads that Nephilim are only giants, but the bible is clear. as our apostle said, leave those old wives, and fairy tails behind, and re-new your mind in the knowledge of Christ.

king David, and some of his men was identified as MIGHTY MEN who killed a lot of other men. Let’s catalogue David's mighty men. In 2 Samuel 23:8 read through to the end of the chapter. Two things to notice in 2 Samuel 23. in verse 8 we have the term “Mighty Men” which is the same term used in Genesis 6, here it is again, H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj. גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened]
1. powerful. 2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant.
KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.
Root(s): H1397

The exact same word used in Genesis 6 for giants/Nephilim. also notice 2 Samuel 23:18 "And Abishai, the brother of Joab, the son of Zeruiah, was chief among three. And he lifted up his spear against three hundred, and slew them, and had the name among three.

Here, the "NAME" is the Hebrew word, H8034 שֵׁם shem (shame) n-m.
1. an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality.
2. (by implication) honor, authority, character.
[a primitive word (perhaps rather from H7760 through the idea of definite and conspicuous position)]
KJV: + base, (in-)fame(-ous), named(-d), renown, report.
Root(s): H7760

did one see how it could be translated in the KJV? ..... "renown" just as in Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown".

there it is "renown" and theses men, these “mighty men” had a reputation of being KILLERS of other men. Because another word for “RENOWN” is reputation. Meaning, The condition of being known or talked about by many people. They had reputation of being killers of men, as David was. 1 Samuel 29:5 & 6 "Is not this David, of whom they sang one to another in dances, saying, Saul slew his thousands, and David his ten thousands?". See these men killed, or was killer, or as the definition define them as “Warriors”. That’s why the Lord said in Genesis 6:5 & 6 "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." 6 "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." there was lots of violence,killing, spilling of blood in the Land, hence the flood. notice these mighty men of David had HUMAN PARENTS, no angels in involved. In today’s language these men would be recognized as modern day mercenary for their great valor in fighting. So clearly the bible tells us that these type of Mighty Man/Nephilim is associated with violence, the spilling of blood in the land, killers. And David was a MIGHTY MAN, 1 Samuel 16:18 "Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the LORD is with him." and David had human parents.

next time, we’re going to look at these type II “Mighty men” who are tall in stature, known as GIANTS, and who also have human origins.

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One is that the sons of God were descendants of Seth while the daughters of men were descendants of Cain. It was a case of worshipers of God marrying those who did not serve him. The modern equivalent would be someone who is saved marrying someone who isn’t a Christian. There are two problems with this theory.
If that were the case?

When believers marry unbelievers today? Their offspring would become giants and men of renown.

Makes no sense to believe that theory in that context.


The real question that is never asked.. "Why were angels able to procreate?"
 
According to genetics, "humans" can only produce children with other "humans" so if these "sons of God" can mate and produce children with "daughters of man", then they are the same animal.

In the animal world crossbreeding has taken place.... (some examples)
https://www.boredpanda.com/strange-...oogle&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

But, man is too far separated from the animals genetically for crossbreeding to be possible.

The Bible tells us that man was created only a little lower than the angels.

What is man that You are mindful of him,
And the son of man that You visit him?
For You have made him a little lower than the angels,
And You have crowned him with glory and honor." Psalm 8:4-5​

grace and peace .........
 
Type II. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men in stature, “A Giant”

As previously stated, Nephilim do not mean ONLY “Giants” in stature, but here we will examine the Nephilim in stature, yes Giants, as in height. again we’ll look at after the flood and see these giants and where they came from. and they all came from the same source, ordinary human men and women, (no angelic involvement at all), in this case, post flood, Noah and his sons. We will start with one of the best know giants in the bible, Goliath, the Philistine of Gath.

These are the names of Noah sons. Genesis 9:18 & 19 "And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan. 19 "These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread”.

Knowing this, the only people to exist on the entire planet, after the flood, came from these three sons of Noah. no giants came from any other unions but of human men and women, this is bible.

1 Samuel 17:23 "And as he talked with them, behold, there came up the champion, the Philistine of Gath, Goliath by name, out of the armies of the Philistines, and spake according to the same words: and David heard them”. Here the scriptures say that Goliath was a Philistine. And Goliath himself tells us that he is a Philistine. 1 Samuel 17:8 "And he stood and cried unto the armies of Israel, and said unto them, Why are ye come out to set your battle in array? am not I a Philistine, and ye servants to Saul? choose you a man for you, and let him come down to me”. We know without a doubt that Goliath of Gath is a Philistine.
Now the question comes, where did the Philistine come from? Answer, let’s look at the genealogy of Noah sons and trace back to Goliath of Gath who is a Philistine. Genesis 10:6 "And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan”.
One of Ham’s sons were Mizraim. Let’s look at Mizraim sons. Genesis 10:13 "And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim, 14 "And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim”. As we can see Mizraim had a son name Casluhim which out of him came a people called Philistim.
This is the same exact genealogy out of 1 Chronicles 1:12. Let’s compare them

1 Chronicles 1:12 "And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (of whom came the Philistines,) and Caphthorim”.
Genesis 10:14 "And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim”.
Perfect match, so we know that Philistim in Genesis 10:14 is the Philistines in 1 Chronicles 1:12.
Knowing this, the Philistines came from HAM, one of Noah sons, who had Mizraim, who had Casluhim.

So this Giant Goliath came from ordinary men and women NOT FROM ANY ANGELIC UNION WITH HUMAN WOMAN. This Genesis 6 myth is coming apart. in the book of Numbers 13:33 "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight".
Here we see giants in stature/height the term "Giants"/nephilim is associated with the sons of Anak which can be trace back to HAM. a son of Noah.

And if one study the bible these so called Giants was just tall men. For Goliath was around 9ft. And 6 inches. 1 Samuel 17:4 "And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span."

Doing the math, a cubits is roughly 18 inches, and a span = roughly 9 inches
Let’s add up Goliath height to be sure. He was six cubits and a span.

1 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
2 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
3 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
4 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
5 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
6 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches

That’s a total of 6ft and 36 inches. 36 inches is 3 feet. that makes Goliath 9ft tall. But now we need to add the span which is roughly 9 inches, which means the Philistine of Gath, Goliath was over 9 and a half feet tall. Well the tallest man in modern times was Robert Wadlow who stood in at 8ft and 11 inches, just about 9 feet. If one would look at some of his pictures next to ordinary people you will see why he is called a giant. Goliath would have had only a few inches on him.

These giants through out the bible is just extra tall men and women. If one just take their time and add up some of these heights one will find that they was just extraordinary tall men, who had the condition in humans called “gigantism”. as was with the famous wrestler Andre the giant.

So get that Gulliver travels myth out of your head. These was just extra tall men who had ordinary parents who was human. so the sons of God in Genesis chapter 6 was ordinary men, with ordinary parents, who was either, taller than the most men in general, or was men of valor.

The Goliath Tree, HAM, Mizraim, Casluhim, out of whom came Philistim, or the Philistine. that's a HUMAN family tree.

Many Christian believe in giants, as in stature. But the biggest, or tallest giant or giants in the bible range from 7 feet to 14 feet. We today have people in this range. One of the most tallest giants mention in the bible king Og was 12 to 13 feet tall, when one do the math.

there are many examples in the bible, just read your bible and have the Holy Spirit as your teacher, and you want go wrong.

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I see the "sons of God" as fallen angels....

There are several reasons. One was to destroy the linage that Christ Jesus would be born through.
Another would be to destroy man, made in the image of God.
Today we see the beginnings of transhumanism..a final attempt to destroy man who was made in the image of God.
The book of Enoch also shed light on the subject.
I am a son of God, you are supposed to be as well.

To be in the image of God one has to receive in them His same mind, Spirit, as Jesus did in Matt 3:16 and others received from God Himself who became like Him and in His same image. BTW Which is Spirit, the condition of the mind to be in His image.

This mortal image is not the image of God at all, God is not flesh, God is a Spirit. Man is the place God resides and if one is not like Him by the same mind be in you who was in Christ Jesus then one is not in His image at all.
 
JonHawk said:
Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity." 2 Tim 2:19
David also speaks of those approved by God in the way of faith:
“Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the one whose sin the Lord will never count against them.” Rom 4:6-8, Rom 4:24-25
Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a High priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,
2 and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, ...
‘They will all Know the Lord,’ from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their iniquity and will remember their sins no more.” Heb 8
I am a son of God, you are supposed to be as well.

To be in the image of God one has to receive in them His same mind, Spirit, as Jesus did in Matt 3:16
Children of God
22 What was promised is given through faith in Jesus Christ to those who believe.
23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith,
27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, heirs according to the promise. Gal 3
 
I am a son of God, you are supposed to be as well.

To be in the image of God one has to receive in them His same mind, Spirit, as Jesus did in Matt 3:16 and others received from God Himself who became like Him and in His same image. BTW Which is Spirit, the condition of the mind to be in His image.

This mortal image is not the image of God at all, God is not flesh, God is a Spirit. Man is the place God resides and if one is not like Him by the same mind be in you who was in Christ Jesus then one is not in His image at all.
false theology.
 
Type II. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men in stature, “A Giant” .... Part II

Let’s look at another known giant by name, Og king of Bashan. Deuteronomy 4:47 "And they possessed his land, and the land of Og king of Bashan, two kings of the Amorites, which were on this side Jordan toward the sunrising”. reading for the blue letter bible,
Og: H5747 עוֹג `Owg (ogue) n/p.
1. "long-necked" 2. Og, a king of Bashan. 3. the Amorite king of Bashan and one of the last representatives of the giants of Rephaim
[probably from H5746]
KJV: Og.

Og was an “Amorite”, so lets see were the Amorite came from?
Gen 10:15 And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth,
Gen 10:16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,

we see that the Amorite came from the normal man Canaan, one of Noah Grandchildren, from his son Ham.
But these Amorite was a race of what the bible calls “giants”. scripture, Amos 2:9 Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from beneath.

The Amorite was very tall people. They were not the height as actual full grown cedar trees, which is a symbolism for a tall race of people. But they all came from normal ordinary men and women. We have their genealogy right here in the Bible

Let's look at the actual height of these giants. Og, king of Bashan his bed was 9 cubits. How long is a cubit. According to the blue letter bible online, Cubit H520 אַמָּה 'ammah - a measure of distance (the forearm), roughly 18 in (.5m). There are several cubits used in the OT, the cubit of a man or common cubit (Dt 3.11)

So a Cubit is approx 18 inches, meaning 1 foot and 6 inches. And king Og bed was nine cubits. Translate into feet and inches, his bed was 13 feet and 6 inches. remember Og was an “Amorite” keep that in mind.

Let’s look at another giant, or giants.
1Chr 11:22 Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man of Kabzeel, who had done many acts; he slew two lionlike men of Moab: also he went down and slew a lion in a pit in a snowy day.
1Chr 11:23 And he slew an Egyptian, a man of great stature, five cubits high; and in the Egyptian's hand was a spear like a weaver's beam; and he went down to him with a staff, and plucked the spear out of the Egyptian's hand, and slew him with his own spear.

This ordinary man, an Israelite who slew this Egyptian, a man of great stature, who was 5 cubit tall.
Conversion, 7’ 6” tall. And this Egyptian's, he had a spear like a weaver's beam. What another famous giant carried this type of weapon also.

1Sam 17:4 And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.
1Sam 17:5 And he had an helmet of brass upon his head, and he was armed with a coat of mail; and the weight of the coat was five thousand shekels of brass.
1Sam 17:6 And he had greaves of brass upon his legs, and a target of brass between his shoulders.
1Sam 17:7 And the staff of his spear was like a weaver's beam; and his spear's head weighed six hundred shekels of iron: and one bearing a shield went before him.

Goliath height was six cubits and a span. We already know what a cubit is so what’s a span.
a unit of measure, approx. half-cubit, or the distance from the thumb to the little finger on an outstretched hand. Meaning about 9 inches. So Goliath was 9 feet and 9 inches.

The Egyptian man and Goliath both came from Ham. Let’s see. Gen 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan. Looking up Mizraim, it’s H4714 מִצרַיִם Mitsrayim (mits-rah'-yim) adj.
Mitsrajim, i.e. Upper and Lower Egypt.
[dual of H4693]
KJV: Egypt, Egyptians, Mizraim

So the Egyptian, as well as Goliath, the Philistines came from the man HAM.

Now let’s look at the most controversial giants in the bible the sons of Anak. Anak means H6061 עָנָק `Anaq (aw-nawk') n/p. Anak, a Canaanite.. progenitor of a family, or tribe of the giant people in Canaan.

Num 13:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 13:2 Send thou men, that they may search the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel: of every tribe of their fathers shall ye send a man, every one a ruler among them.
Num 13:22 And they ascended by the south, and came unto Hebron; where Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, were. (Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.) THIS IS BIBLE SPEAKING.

The children of Anak were in “Hebron”. keep this in mind, Judg 1:10 And Judah went against the Canaanites that dwelt in Hebron: (now the name of Hebron before was Kirjatharba) and they slew Sheshai, and Ahiman, and Talmai.

These are the sons of Anak. But here’s the catch. Hebron was knows as Kirjatharba, so who is Kirjatharba
1. city of Arba, or city of the four (giants).Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, which are the sons of Anak. So Who is “Arba? Scripture, Josh 21:11 "And they gave them the city of Arba the father of Anak, which city is Hebron, in the hill country of Judah, with the suburbs thereof round about it". BINGO.

So, the sons of Anak came from the man “Arba” who was a Canaanite. Knowing this, it bring us back to the genealogy list in Gen 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.
This is where the Canaanite came from, Canaan, who Arba the father of Anak. THERE IT IS, SIMPLE BIBLE RESEARCH, IN LEAD BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.

there was no supernatural or angelic intervention. all these so-called giants in the bible came from regular people.
again, I will keep on saying it, all the humans come from Adam..... and his wife Eve. yes, all of us, the Good, the Bad, and the ugly... (smile).

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it always is for one who has not received from God that what Jesus did in Matt 3:16.
According to you...Jesus was a sinner...which means the Jesus you push could not be the savior.

As I have said...you believe a lie. A false theology.
 
According to you...Jesus was a sinner...which means the Jesus you push could not be the savior.
No' in Gods eyes Jesus was not a sinner at all, nor is anyone else who has from God that what Jesus had from Him where we walk as He walks in His same light with the same signs following ... but in the eyes of the religious minds of the Jews he was a sinner, blasphemer, glutton, wine bibber, sabbath breaker and had him crucified for his sins.

Ironic is the very ones Jesus taught in these temples even from a young age are the very ones who had him crucified for blaspheme.
As I have said...you believe a lie. A false theology.
Yes the ways of Jesus to be in Christ yourself always is a lie to the ones whose minds are of the law instead of Spirit as the Jews were accusing Jesus. You do the sane thing. These are referred to as antichrists, refusing to be that son of God as Jesus was.
 
JonHawk said:
Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity." 2 Tim 2:19
Children of God —What was promised is given through faith in Jesus Christ to those who believe.
23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith,
27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, heirs according to the promise. Gal 3:22-29
Yes the ways of Jesus to be in Christ yourself always is a lie to the ones whose minds are of the law instead of Spirit as the Jews were accusing Jesus. You do the sane thing. These are referred to as antichrists, refusing to be that son of God as Jesus was.
That no flesh should glory in His presence. But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.” 1 Corinthians 1:29-31
 
That no flesh should glory in His presence. But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.” 1 Corinthians 1:29-31
I am Gods gorse, just as Jesus was Gods glory, we have the same glorious Father who is God. But your father is Paul, a sinner.
 
I am Gods gorse, just as Jesus was Gods glory, we have the same glorious Father who is God. But your father is Paul, a sinner.
Ignorant gnostic, God did not send Paul to save mankind.
But as many as received Jesus, to them He gave the right to become children of God, John 1:12-13
 
No' in Gods eyes Jesus was not a sinner at all
Really? Perhaps you are now backpedaling...which would be a good thing as you might be learning the truth.
Jesus was not a sinner in need of Johns baptism as you have previously claimed.
 
Really? Perhaps you are now backpedaling
Nope you just misconstrue from lack in being born of God to have His same mind that only He can open in man. Matt 3:16 is the proof, not even Jesus could escape that fact. You just dont believe Matt 3:16 is why you dont have the same as Jesus received from God. .
...which would be a good thing as you might be learning the truth.
Always have know the truth. Jesus was without sin just as all are who are anointed of God. Jesus couldn't have been without sin without God coming to him and opening up who He is and all of His heaven in that man. Matt 3:16, and He does the same in us who are born o fGod, born again as Jesus was in Matt 3:17 and are His His anointed ones. Which simply is Christ in us. Jesus referred to his change in Matt 3:16 as born again, where God renewed his mind by His Spirit, read it. it is very clear, least you edit it and add your own opinions as you always do.
Jesus was not a sinner in need of Johns baptism as you have previously claimed.
Oh no Jesus didnt need to be baptized of John at all, that is mans traditions not Gods, God Himself is the one who baptizes with His Spirit. you can read how He did that in Jesus in Matt 3:16. Red how He did that in Adam in GHen 3:22 where he also became like Gid as Jesus did to know this difference, Abraham received the same Spirit as Jesus did, Moses received from God the same Spirit as Jesus did, 120 in an upper room received the same Spirit as Jesus did, and so did I the very same way.

You sure dont know much how God works in man, evident in your ignorance what it is to receive from God Himself as these did. .
 
Ignorant gnostic, God did not send Paul to save mankind.
You act as if he did, for you follow Paul in his ways as a sinner instead of Jesus who was without sin.
But as many as received Jesus, to them He gave the right to become children of God, John 1:12-13
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Ys just as Jesus received form Him became His child in Matt 3:16 as we all do who is born of God. God is a Spirit you just havent learned that yet is why flesh is your god. And you lead that from the likes of Paul. He worshiped a man as a god as well.

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Yes born again by His Spirit renewing my spirit to have His same mind as Jesus did, the mind of Christ who is anointed of God.

You just dont have a clue what it is to be Gods anointed one to have His same mind as Jesus had of Him is all.
 
Ignorant gnostic, God did not send Paul to save mankind.
But as many as received Jesus, to them He gave the right to become children of God, John 1:12-13
You act as if he did, for you follow Paul in his ways as a sinner instead of Jesus who was without sin.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Yes born again by His Spirit renewing my spirit to have His same mind as Jesus did, the mind of Christ who is anointed of God.
You just dont have a clue what it is to be Gods anointed one to have His same mind as Jesus had of Him is all.
Overcoming the World
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, ...
For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 1 John 5:1-4
Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 1 John 4:4
 
Nope you just misconstrue from lack in being born of God to have His same mind that only He can open in man. Matt 3:16 is the proof, not even Jesus could escape that fact. You just dont believe Matt 3:16 is why you dont have the same as Jesus received from God. .

Always have know the truth. Jesus was without sin just as all are who are anointed of God. Jesus couldn't have been without sin without God coming to him and opening up who He is and all of His heaven in that man. Matt 3:16, and He does the same in us who are born o fGod, born again as Jesus was in Matt 3:17 and are His His anointed ones. Which simply is Christ in us. Jesus referred to his change in Matt 3:16 as born again, where God renewed his mind by His Spirit, read it. it is very clear, least you edit it and add your own opinions as you always do.

Oh no Jesus didnt need to be baptized of John at all, that is mans traditions not Gods, God Himself is the one who baptizes with His Spirit. you can read how He did that in Jesus in Matt 3:16. Red how He did that in Adam in GHen 3:22 where he also became like Gid as Jesus did to know this difference, Abraham received the same Spirit as Jesus did, Moses received from God the same Spirit as Jesus did, 120 in an upper room received the same Spirit as Jesus did, and so did I the very same way.

You sure dont know much how God works in man, evident in your ignorance what it is to receive from God Himself as these did. .
At no time was the person of Jesus sinful.....you would have it otherwise.
 
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