The sons of God and the daughters of men

Overcoming the World
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, ...
For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 1 John 5:1-4
Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 1 John 4:4
You forget....Jesus is God.
OIh no I didnt forget Jesus was son of God at all. Jesus didnt even know God until God came to that man and opens up who He is and all of His heaven in that man. See Matt 3:16, this is the salvation Jesus spoke of. You cant be saved of God without the same, not even Jesus could escape that fact. You just dont believe Matt 3:16 and has mades your own rules to regulate your gods.
 
Overcoming the World
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, ...
You are not born again at all least you have received that same renewing of your mind from God that Jesus receieved from God in Matt 3:16 that you deem Him as gnostic lies.

You just dont believe what the Bible says is all.
For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world.
Just as Jesus did in Matt 3:16.
And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 1 John 5:1-4
You misquote again.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
He overcomes our faith just as it states. You are not looking at scripture through Gods eyes, you only edit it to suit your own beliefs.
Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 1 John 4:4
But not for you for to you His ways for Him to be in you as He was in Jesus is gnostic lies as you keep accusing Him of.
 
as we can see from the bible, the sons of God were the children Adam and Eve had in the GARDEN, .... "BEFORE" ..... they fell into sin.

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At no time was the person of Jesus sinful.....you would have it otherwise.
Then why was he crucified for sin? You just cant grasp the reality that to Jesus accusers he was the sinner is all.

Had he not sinned against their religious beliefs, the religious belief that Jesus was once of and taught them in the temple they wouldn't have had him crucified at all would they have?

Truth is, to these he defiantly was a blasphemer to their religious beliefs. And it is the very same today in our denominations they call church. These has no intent in following Jesus to the father who does the saving just as He saved Jesus from the sins of those temples.

You can read how God saved Jesus from these in Matt 3:16. But you dont believe Matt 3:16, that is very obvious.
 
Overcoming the World
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, ...
For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 1 John 5:1-4
Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 1 John 4:4
You are not born again at all least you have received that same renewing of your mind from God that Jesus receieved from God in Matt 3:16 that you deem Him as gnostic lies.

You are not looking at scripture through Gods eyes, you only edit it to suit your own beliefs.
Whoever has the Son has life, but whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1 John 5:12
 
You can read how God saved Jesus from these in Matt 3:16. But you dont believe Matt 3:16, that is very obvious.
Matt 3:16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;

Saved from these????
 
JonHawk said:
Whoever has the Son has life, but whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1 John 5:12
There is no way you can be His son as long as He is a gnostic liar for you.
Who is the liar? It is the gnostic who ·does not accept [denies; repudiates] Jesus as the ·Christ [Messiah; Anointed One]. This is the ·enemy of Christ [ antichrist] 1 John 2:22
 
Who were these sons of God? There are three theories as to their identity.

One is that the sons of God were descendants of Seth while the daughters of men were descendants of Cain. It was a case of worshipers of God marrying those who did not serve him. The modern equivalent would be someone who is saved marrying someone who isn’t a Christian. There are two problems with this theory.

The first is that while believers are often called sons of God in the New Testament they are never called that in the Old. The earliest use of sons of God being applied to believers is in Matthew 5:19.



The second problem is that if it were simply a case of saved and unsaved people marrying, wouldn’t the sons of men sometimes marry the daughters of God? Saved women are just as likely to marry unsaved men as saved men are to marry unsaved women.

The second theory is that sons of God was a title used by the rulers and this speaks of them marrying more than one wife. Lamech, a descendant of Cain, did have two wives.



This is a possibility but I have never read of any place in the Bible where a ruler called himself a son of God.

The third theory is that the sons of God were fallen angels, who followed Satan in his rebellion against God. This is supported by the fact that the book of Job speaks of sons of God and they are clearly angels. Job 1:6 and 2:1 speak of Satan being among the sons of God when they presented themselves before God and they are also mentioned in Job 38:4-7.



The events in Job took place before the time of Moses and some scholars think that Moses wrote the book. Even if the book itself was written later the Israelites were probably familiar with the events in it and naturally this meaning would come to mind.

Angels are spirits but they can take on human form. Some people have interacted with them without realizing that they are angels. The account in Genesis seems to indicate that they are capable of procreation with humans when they are in human form.

(Angels are usually pictured as having wings. It seems unlikely that anyone would mistake them for humans if that were true. Cherubim and seraphim have wings and some believe that these are classes of angels. Angels, cherubim, and seraphim are three distinct kinds of beings and the fact that cherubim and seraphim have wings does not prove that angels do.)

The Genesis account say, “the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive”. Why would angels find humans attractive? I can think of one possible explanation. Angels were created to serve God and were designed so that they desired a close relationship with him. The angels who rebelled were cut off from this relationship and were looking for a substitute. Humans are created in God’s image and this similarity to God caused the angels to be attracted to them.

Where are the sons of God today? Are they still at large seducing and marrying human women? Perhaps Jude has the answer.



He doesn’t say that these are the angels who married humans but it seems likely that is the case. Most of the angels who followed Satan are still at large helping him carry out his rebellion against God, but these are already confined so they can’t do any more harm to humans.
one of the clues is that the offspring were giants. which seems to be related to something different in the Sons of God causing this mutation, I would guess the giants were impotent and did not create offspring, although there is some thought that Goliath is their descendant.

As far as angels having wings, angels true bodies are spiritual and they live in a spiritual world, so the physical bodies that people see are probably not them as they are. Metaphorically beings with wings are being presented as swift.
 
OIh no I didnt forget Jesus was son of God at all. Jesus didnt even know God until God came to that man and opens up who He is and all of His heaven in that man. See Matt 3:16, this is the salvation Jesus spoke of. You cant be saved of God without the same, not even Jesus could escape that fact. You just dont believe Matt 3:16 and has mades your own rules to regulate your gods.
In John it says that Jesus shared in the Glory with God before the world was created, if Jesus was not God, what is He?
 
Jesus was crucified for OUR sins. If you don't understand that...then you have no salvation.
Actually Jesus was crucified because of your sins. If you dont understand that then you have no salvation from sin.

Most say they are saved but are the sinner? That is impossible for salvation is from sin.

Salvation is to receieve from God that what Jesus receieved in Matt 3:16 where God Himself saved Jesus from the sinful laws of the temple he taught in.
 
In John it says that Jesus shared in the Glory with God before the world was created, if Jesus was not God, what is He?
And we all who has received from God that what Jesus did in Matt 3:16 share the same Spirit as Jesus received.

It is Gods will that ye be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. Not many are though are they?
 
JonHawk said:
Whoever has the Son has life, but whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1 John 5:12

Who is the liar?
The one who accuses Him of gnostic lies.
It is the gnostic who ·does not accept [denies; repudiates] Jesus as the ·Christ [Messiah;
For sure they see His ways as gnostic likes dont they?
Anointed One].
Yes Christ in me. Jesus was anointed of God as well. you are su[pposed to be anointed of God to, but that is gnostic liked for you isn't it?
This is the ·enemy of Christ [ antichrist] 1 John 2:22
yes these accuse him in his ways as gnostic lies.
 
And we all who has received from God that what Jesus did in Matt 3:16 share the same Spirit as Jesus received.

It is Gods will that ye be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. Not many are though are they?
I think you missed the point "before the world was created" Jesus was with God. Who is Jesus?
 
I think you missed the point "before the world was created" Jesus was with God.
Actually it was Christ who was with God from the beginning. Adam was the first to recieve from God His anointing, Christ, to become like Him to know this difference, Gen 3l;22. Jesus received the same in himself in Matt 3:16, only then did he become like God to know that same difference.
Who is Jesus?
A child of God, a son of God who he said was his father and my Father. Jesus was my brother, we have the same Father who is God. And like us all no one knows God least you recieve from Him the same as Jesus did, that is the only way God and all of His heaven can possible opens in you.

If it was expedient for Jesus to receive from God in Matt 3:16 and open to him who He is and His ways -- what makes you exempt from the same?
 
Actually it was Christ who was with God from the beginning. Adam was the first to recieve from God His anointing, Christ, to become like Him to know this difference, Gen 3l;22. Jesus received the same in himself in Matt 3:16, only then did he become like God to know that same difference.

A child of God, a son of God who he said was his father and my Father. Jesus was my brother, we have the same Father who is God. And like us all no one knows God least you recieve from Him the same as Jesus did, that is the only way God and all of His heaven can possible opens in you.

If it was expedient for Jesus to receive from God in Matt 3:16 and open to him who He is and His ways -- what makes you exempt from the same?
What sense does it make that Jesus did not pre=exist but Christ did. Christ means the annointed one. Jesus Christ means Jesus the annointed one. To say His annointing preexisted in heaven but He did not, is illogical
 
What sense does it make that Jesus did not pre=exist but Christ did.
None at all, Jesus didnt come about until about 2000 years ago, but Christ, Gods Spirit in man, man anointed of God started in Adam. Gen 3;22, he was the first to be anointed of God, Christ in him.
Christ means the annointed one.
Exactly and there is only one anointing from God and either you have receieve Him as Adam did, Abraham did, Moses did, 120 did and Jesus did in Matt 3:16, or you have not.
Jesus Christ means Jesus the annointed one.
Jesus was CXhrist because he was anointed of God. you act as if Christ was Jesus last name LOL.
To say His annointing preexisted in heaven but He did not, is illogical
Only to those who has not received the Christ, Gods anointing by His Spirit as Jesus did. Jesus didnt even know God or His heaven until God opens it to that man ubn Jesus in Matt 3:16 as He did in those before Jesus and after Jesus. He did the very same in me.

You have not received Gods Christ have you to be anointed of God? Born again.
 
None at all, Jesus didnt come about until about 2000 years ago, but Christ, Gods Spirit in man, man anointed of God started in Adam. Gen 3;22, he was the first to be anointed of God, Christ in him.

Exactly and there is only one anointing from God and either you have receieve Him as Adam did, Abraham did, Moses did, 120 did and Jesus did in Matt 3:16, or you have not.

Jesus was CXhrist because he was anointed of God. you act as if Christ was Jesus last name LOL.

Only to those who has not received the Christ, Gods anointing by His Spirit as Jesus did. Jesus didnt even know God or His heaven until God opens it to that man ubn Jesus in Matt 3:16 as He did in those before Jesus and after Jesus. He did the very same in me.

You have not received Gods Christ have you to be anointed of God? Born again.
ok. I see where you are, thanks
 
JonHawk said:
Whoever has the Son has life, but whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1 John 5:12
Salvation is to receieve from God that what Jesus receieved in Matt 3:16 where God Himself saved Jesus from the sinful laws of the temple he taught in.
Yes Christ in me. Jesus was anointed of God as well. you are su[pposed to be anointed of God to, but that is gnostic liked for you isn't it?
Your gnostics lies are that Jesus was sinful which is contrary to the gospel and also, that Jesus is not Christ the Savior.

Who is the liar? It is the gnostic who ·does not accept [denies; repudiates] Jesus as the ·Christ [Messiah; Anointed One]. This is the ·enemy of Christ [ antichrist] 1 John 2:22
 
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