Then we have not a brain.
The "soul" or "Soul" .........
- Thread starter Slyzr
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Then we have not a brain.
Obviously some here dont.
That much is obvious.
scripture?
Spirit, We are spirit beings. This mortal body is only the temple for His Spirit. Spirit is who we are not what we are. Your soul is who you are not what you are.
Everything about God is SPirit, your soul and either you are like Him or you are not.
Hate to break the news to you; but we cannot be Jesus ..... or his father.
If we are then we do not exist.
Beloved Daughter
Super Member
So... you watched a video and now you are an expert. Cool, challenge accepted.
@0:35
Error. It is not the Soul that reincarnates, it is the Spirit.
@1:00
Transmigration of Soul. Again, it is Spirit, not Soul that reincarnates.
@1:12
Claims of 'no proof' is a lie that only the most ignorant and gullible will believe. Lots of 'Strawman' arguments in that section.
@1:40
Presenter twists Hebrews 9:27 to make it say something it doesn't. Most Christians fall for that one.
If everyone must 'die once', then you can toss Rapture out the window. Do not forget to erase all of the verses teaching that dead people came back to life (e.g. Lazarus, Valley of Dry bones, etc.) Erase the verses about Enoch and Elijah not dying. I could go on...
@2:11
Presenter uses Luke 23:43 to make a completely pointless argument that since Jesus didn't use the word 'reincarnation', then reincarnation must not exist. Whatever.
@2:22
Eternal Punishment describes the LENGTH of the sentence, NOT the TYPE of punishment. In other words, God will not change his mind. The sentence is permanent. The Unsaved will be reincarnated whether they like it or not. They have no say in the matter.
@2:38
Presenter claims our identity does not change after death. This is incorrect. We receive a New Name in the Book of Revelation.
@3:10
One does not have to die (i.e. Elijah) in order to be reincarnated. The presenter is lying again.
@3:20
The old 'It is not literal' argument. Sorry, it *is* literal. John the Baptist LITERALLY came in the Spirit and Power of Elijah. As I mentioned previously, it is the Spirit that reincarnates. The presenter has no clue what he is talking about.
@3:40
Too many assumptions on the presenter's part. John the Baptist can still reincarnate as Elijah in the future. So, moot point. There are other arguments we can use here.
@3:50
Who are you going to believe? Either John or Jesus lied... period. I say it was John who lied.
@4:00
Who cares what other religions believe.
Conclusion:
The presenter made several errors and contradictions. He set up Straw Man arguments to easily knock them down. This guy could not debate his way out of a paper bag.
I win this round.
He made no errors. Not a single one. Simply stated, you have proven you don't know the first thing about proper exegesis of scripture.
This should help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical-grammatical_method
Beloved Daughter
Super Member
One thing you will notice Slyzr, is that whenever someone claims Reincarnation is not Biblical, they will never, ever in a million bazillion years post the verses that prove they are correct.
Here is a typical example...
See that? No verses were posted. We are simply supposed to take her word for it.
I on the other hand, can prove my claim all day and every day. I can post verse after verse showing that Reincarnation is one hundred percent Biblical.
How about another?
Isaiah 51:1
"Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged."
The above verse is stating that the folks being hearkened to were 'digged out of a pit'. But wait! Is not 'The Pit' where Hell is? Why yes it is...
Isaiah 14:15
"Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."
So how is it that people are born from the Pits of Hell? Easy, The Pit is simply a reference to the Womb of Creation. In this case, The Pit is Sarah's Womb...
Isaiah 51:2
"Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him."
Hell is a parable for the Womb and Reincarnation. Christianity has been lied to and yet they never bothered to double check.
Elementary... No verses posted, because the bible doesn't teach reincarnation. That's why the Bible doesn't talk about the contrast between F-14 and F-16 fighter jets. They aren't important to the Christian faith.
I didn't learn this from a video, I read it in my most prized possession, the Bible. The Bible that says zilch about reincarnation.
Go tell this story to Oprah. Perhaps she'll invite you to her Soul Sunday perversions. I hear tell, she believes this nonsense.
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Beloved Daughter
Super Member
Bob, Even when we disagree, your 58 years of following Christ, shows through and through!
Now you are getting the message.
If you are then you are a god
And I have news for you, No flesh inherits the kingdom of God but sadly most worship a man as a god instead of the One WHo was in Christ Jesus and sent him to show you the way to Him that you may have in you the same mind Jesus had in himself from God.
Ontos
Active member
The "soul" is the principle of life for all living beings
Aristotle wrote about it in "On the Soul". It was translated to Latin as "De Anima" and "anima" where we derive animate and it's negation inanimate
It is not the "self", it is the act of life. Or, you could say a soul is what a living body has that a dead one does not...
Yes Spirit, or better translated -- Mind. And the body is subject to the mind and obeys what the mind dictates to it.
Ontos
Active member
Not quite.
The Greek word soul transliterated psyché where we get our modern psychology and thus "mind" is not the same.
For the Greeks and much of man up to Descartes (and the idealists), the soul or psyché was the whole being of man not simply the mind. It was the intellect, will, senses, physical wellness, all his habits etc...
Modern psychology is all thought, which is some brain state, which is some electro-chemical reaction, which is dealt with by popping pills...
Modern psychology is garbage and really has nothing to do with the soul - the principle of life...
The way I see it without the body there is no mind, Spirit is the disposition of the mind, and as for me my mind directs my body to do as it directs. What sustains the mortal body that comes from the earth and the needs of it, is not the same which sustains the mind and the needs for it. Not to say the needs for the body as in nourishment,. water, sleep, etc. does not translate to the mind, for it does indeed but it is the mind that gives life to the body and the body gives live to the mind.
Life is living, death is without life. As far as a soul, or spirit, going to heaven or hell? I have to relate to that Jesus said in Luke 17:20-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation, it is within you and I can identify with him in that statement. Heaven or hell is who we are, and how we live.
Dant01
Active member
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God has a soul. (Matt 12:18)
Jesus' mom had a soul. (Luke 1:46)
A certain rich man had a soul. (Luke 12:19)
Jesus had a soul. (Acts 2:25-31)
The apostle Paul had a soul. (2Cor 1:23)
The author of the letter to Hebrews had a soul. (Heb 10:38)
The body is perishable by any means, whereas the soul is perishable only by the
hand of God. (Matt 10:28)
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God has a soul. (Matt 12:18)
Jesus' mom had a soul. (Luke 1:46)
A certain rich man had a soul. (Luke 12:19)
Jesus had a soul. (Acts 2:25-31)
The apostle Paul had a soul. (2Cor 1:23)
The author of the letter to Hebrews had a soul. (Heb 10:38)
The body is perishable by any means, whereas the soul is perishable only by the
hand of God. (Matt 10:28)
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Ontos
Active member
For man - without the body there is no mind or rather no operation of his mind as man is essentially embodied, but "no body/no mind" can't equally be applied to all things with a soul - like say, God; as he is not essentially embodied.
That's why I like the classical approach of "soul" as the principle of life, as it doesn't try to chop things up with soul separate from mind separate from body and then you have "interaction" problems - that's cartesianism.
Dant01
Active member
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• Luke 17:20-21 . . And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the
kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God
cometh not with observation: neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for,
behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
The Greek word translated "within" is a bit ambiguous. It can also be translated
"midst" i.e. among you instead of within you.
There has always been a number of people on earth who are, and who were,
citizens of the kingdom before they passed on. For example:
• Col 1:13 . . For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us
into the kingdom of the Son he loves.
All the holy people in the Old Testament were citizens of the kingdom, and there
were quite a few in the Israel of Jesus' day who were citizens too.
However, the Pharisees were correct to expect a literal realm (Acts 1:6-7) but they
were somehow unaware that much of the realm's population is selected in this life
rather than the next. The business of selecting folk, and transferring them into the
kingdom, goes on all the time right under the world's nose; all around them.
The Pharisees were a bit of an enigma. They were better educated than most folks
in Jesus' day, but for some reason didn't really know the Bible all that well. In point
of fact; upon completing a discussion of regeneration with one of the Pharisees at
John 3:1-10, Jesus inquired: Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not understand
these things?
That lack of biblical proficiency is prevalent even today in Christian churches. One
Sunday morning, my class was shown a really bad Hollywood movie about the life of
Joseph. When it finally ended, I asked the teacher if he thought Joseph was born
again. The man was literally flustered, and the class went into an uproar. So I
calmly explained that Jesus said nobody can get into the kingdom sans the
regeneration he spoke of at John 3:1-10. Well; in my mind that not only includes
Joseph but everybody else in the Old Testament too.
The teacher honestly didn't know what I was talking about; and a prominent
member of the class caught up with me afterwards and attempted to show me the
error of my thinking. (That was one of my least favorite mornings in Sunday school.)
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• Luke 17:20-21 . . And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the
kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God
cometh not with observation: neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for,
behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
The Greek word translated "within" is a bit ambiguous. It can also be translated
"midst" i.e. among you instead of within you.
There has always been a number of people on earth who are, and who were,
citizens of the kingdom before they passed on. For example:
• Col 1:13 . . For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us
into the kingdom of the Son he loves.
All the holy people in the Old Testament were citizens of the kingdom, and there
were quite a few in the Israel of Jesus' day who were citizens too.
However, the Pharisees were correct to expect a literal realm (Acts 1:6-7) but they
were somehow unaware that much of the realm's population is selected in this life
rather than the next. The business of selecting folk, and transferring them into the
kingdom, goes on all the time right under the world's nose; all around them.
The Pharisees were a bit of an enigma. They were better educated than most folks
in Jesus' day, but for some reason didn't really know the Bible all that well. In point
of fact; upon completing a discussion of regeneration with one of the Pharisees at
John 3:1-10, Jesus inquired: Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not understand
these things?
That lack of biblical proficiency is prevalent even today in Christian churches. One
Sunday morning, my class was shown a really bad Hollywood movie about the life of
Joseph. When it finally ended, I asked the teacher if he thought Joseph was born
again. The man was literally flustered, and the class went into an uproar. So I
calmly explained that Jesus said nobody can get into the kingdom sans the
regeneration he spoke of at John 3:1-10. Well; in my mind that not only includes
Joseph but everybody else in the Old Testament too.
The teacher honestly didn't know what I was talking about; and a prominent
member of the class caught up with me afterwards and attempted to show me the
error of my thinking. (That was one of my least favorite mornings in Sunday school.)
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The soul is the life we live, SPirit. it is who we are just as it was who all of these were. God is a Spirit and that SPirit is Love and man is has His same SPirit of Love or one doesnt.
Agree, soul is our mind.