The Source of False Religion . . .

RayneBeau

RayneBeau

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Babylon has been known for eon's as the 'Mystery Religion', and has symbolically been described in the last book of the Holy Bible as a woman "arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication; and upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." (Rev. 17:1-6)

When the Bible uses symbolic language, a "woman" can symbolize a church.

When John wrote the book of Revelation, Babylon - as a city -had already been destroyed and left in ruins, as the OT prophets had foretold. But though the city of Babylon was destroyed, religious concepts and customs that originated in Babylon continued on and were well represented in many nations of the world. What significant similarities does it hold in modern times? Does it all tie in with what John wrote in the book of Revelation?
 
RayneBeau said:
Babylon has been known for eon's as the 'Mystery Religion', and has symbolically been described in the last book of the Holy Bible as a woman "arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication; and upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." (Rev. 17:1-6)

When the Bible uses symbolic language, a "woman" can symbolize a church.

When John wrote the book of Revelation, Babylon - as a city -had already been destroyed and left in ruins, as the OT prophets had foretold. But though the city of Babylon was destroyed, religious concepts and customs that originated in Babylon continued on and were well represented in many nations of the world. What significant similarities does it hold in modern times? Does it all tie in with what John wrote in the book of Revelation?
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The explanation and imagery of Revelation 17 show to me gnosticism and unfaithfulness to one husband. Tolerance of division and cultural acceptance of sin.
 
RayneBeau said:
Babylon has been known for eon's as the 'Mystery Religion', and has symbolically been described in the last book of the Holy Bible as a woman "arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication; and upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." (Rev. 17:1-6)

When the Bible uses symbolic language, a "woman" can symbolize a church.

When John wrote the book of Revelation, Babylon - as a city -had already been destroyed and left in ruins, as the OT prophets had foretold. But though the city of Babylon was destroyed, religious concepts and customs that originated in Babylon continued on and were well represented in many nations of the world. What significant similarities does it hold in modern times? Does it all tie in with what John wrote in the book of Revelation?
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Why is this on the RCC forum?
 
Misfit said:
He's trying to equate the Catholic faith with Babylon, you know the harlot. Just standard Fundamentalist/Evangelical fare.
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Yes, we have heard it before. Babylon became a dwelling-place of demons....."

Revelations 18:2, "He called out with a mighty voice, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! It has become a dwelling-place of demons, a haunt of every foul spirit, a haunt of every foul bird, a haunt of every foul and hateful beast."

It is sad that some Christians would stoop that low to equate the CC with Babylon.
 
dingoling. said:
Why is this on the RCC forum?
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This topic is on the RCC forum and open for discussion because when Rome became a world empire, it is a known fact that she assimilated into her system the gods and religions from the various pagan countries over which she ruled. Since Babylon was the source of the paganism of these countries, it can be seen how the early religion of pagan Rome was but the Babylonish worship that had developed in various forms and under different names in the countries to which it had gone. Bear in mind that this was during the time when Rome ruled the world - that the TRUE Savior, Jesus Christ, was born, lived among men, died, and rose again. He ascended into heaven, sent back the Holy Spirit, and the NT church was established on the earth. Those were glorious days! One only has to read the book of Acts to see how much God blessed His people in those days. Multitudes were added to the church - the true church of Christ's followers. Great signs and wonders were performed as God confirmed His Word followed with signs. True Christianity, anointed by the Holy Spirit, swept the world like a prairie fire. It encircled the mountains and crossed the oceans. It made kings to tremble and tyrants to fear. It was said of those early Christians that they had turned the world upside down! - so powerful was their message and spirit.
 
RayneBeau said:
This topic is on the RCC forum and open for discussion because when Rome became a world empire, it is a known fact that she assimilated into her system the gods and religions from the various pagan countries over which she ruled. Since Babylon was the source of the paganism of these countries, it can be seen how the early religion of pagan Rome was but the Babylonish worship that had developed in various forms and under different names in the countries to which it had gone. Bear in mind that this was during the time when Rome ruled the world - that the TRUE Savior, Jesus Christ, was born, lived among men, died, and rose again. He ascended into heaven, sent back the Holy Spirit, and the NT church was established on the earth. Those were glorious days! One only has to read the book of Acts to see how much God blessed His people in those days. Multitudes were added to the church - the true church of Christ's followers. Great signs and wonders were performed as God confirmed His Word followed with signs. True Christianity, anointed by the Holy Spirit, swept the world like a prairie fire. It encircled the mountains and crossed the oceans. It made kings to tremble and tyrants to fear. It was said of those early Christians that they had turned the world upside down! - so powerful was their message and spirit.
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So what happened to the early church? Where did it disappear to?
 
RayneBeau said:
One only has to read the book of Acts to see how much God blessed His people in those days. Multitudes were added to the church - the true church of Christ's followers. Great signs and wonders were performed as God confirmed His Word followed with signs. True Christianity, anointed by the Holy Spirit, swept the world like a prairie fire. It encircled the mountains and crossed the oceans. It made kings to tremble and tyrants to fear. It was said of those early Christians that they had turned the world upside down! - so powerful was their message and spirit.
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And the true church had a name. What was it?
I find it amazing that you want to appropriate the works of this Church to yourselves while at the same time you attack it as "false religion".
Takes a lot of "chutzpah" as they say.
 
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dingoling. said:
Yes, we have heard it before. Babylon became a dwelling-place of demons....."

Revelations 18:2, "He called out with a mighty voice, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! It has become a dwelling-place of demons, a haunt of every foul spirit, a haunt of every foul bird, a haunt of every foul and hateful beast."

It is sad that some Christians would stoop that low to equate the CC with Babylon.
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No need to do that, it fails every scriptural test and its leaders lie. The father of lies is one evil one. John would say the RCC belongs to its father:

John 8:44

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies

We can see this fulfilled in the RCC, its leaders lie to the laity, to its victims, to the authorities. Worst of all it teaches false doctrines and makes false claims about itself.
 
pilgrim said:
And the true church had a name. What was it?
I find it amazing that you want to appropriate the works of this Church to yourselves while at the same time you attack it as "false religion".
Takes a lot of "chutzpah" as they say.
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Yes I'd like a sound explanation of where the true Church went if the Church in Rome was false. If one is going to start a conversation with such a diabolical premise, you have to be prepared to back it up and follow it up with evidence of the 'true' Church in history.

Are any of the nonCC's here able to explain this?
 
Stella1000 said:
Yes I'd like a sound explanation of where the true Church went if the Church in Rome was false. If one is going to start a conversation with such a diabolical premise, you have to be prepared to back it up and follow it up with evidence of the 'true' Church in history.

Are any of the nonCC's here able to explain this?
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What I heard is that it went into hiding only to re-emerge in the 15th century.
 
dingoling. said:
So what happened to the early church? Where did it disappear to?
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Referring back to the OP, it says nothing about the "early church . . .

"When John wrote the book of Revelation, Babylon - as a city -had already been destroyed and left in ruins, as the OT prophets had foretold. But though the city of Babylon was destroyed, religious concepts and customs that originated in Babylon continued on and were well represented in many nations of the world. What significant similarities does it hold in modern times? Does it all tie in with what John wrote in the book of Revelation?

Wherever Christ's followers were - that is where the "early church" aka the 'true church' was.
 
Stella1000 said:
Yes I'd like a sound explanation of where the true Church went if the Church in Rome was false. If one is going to start a conversation with such a diabolical premise, you have to be prepared to back it up and follow it up with evidence of the 'true' Church in history.

Are any of the nonCC's here able to explain this?
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The New Testament "true church" was established whenever and wherever by the disciples and the workings of miracles, etc., of the Holy Spirit on this earth, through the risen Christ- the Son of God, and the "church" grew in numbers daily.
 
RayneBeau said:
Referring back to the OP, it says nothing about the "early church . . .

"When John wrote the book of Revelation, Babylon - as a city -had already been destroyed and left in ruins, as the OT prophets had foretold. But though the city of Babylon was destroyed, religious concepts and customs that originated in Babylon continued on and were well represented in many nations of the world. What significant similarities does it hold in modern times? Does it all tie in with what John wrote in the book of Revelation?

Wherever Christ's followers were - that is where the "early church" aka the 'true church' was.
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However since the time of the Apostles and the Council of Jerusalem and after that, there has been a visible Church condemning false ideas and making sound doctrine to keep Christ's followers on course. Where is that mechanism outside of the Church of Rome for the last 1500 years?
 
Stella1000 said:
Yes I'd like a sound explanation of where the true Church went if the Church in Rome was false. If one is going to start a conversation with such a diabolical premise, you have to be prepared to back it up and follow it up with evidence of the 'true' Church in history.

Are any of the nonCC's here able to explain this
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so you have a different standard for believers here than you can meet in support of the rcc?
 
Stella1000 said:
However since the time of the Apostles and the Council of Jerusalem and after that, there has been a visible Church condemning false ideas and making sound doctrine to keep Christ's followers on course. Where is that mechanism outside of the Church of Rome for the last 1500 years?
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Which was not your evil institution. Your institution fails every scriptural test how can it be the visible church? It harms the flock? The visible real church look after the flock.
 
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