The "T" in TULIP - refuted in one verse.

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TomFL

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brightfame52 said:
Yes John tells us in Jn 1 13 why they received/believed on Christ. Because they were born of God
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No it does not tell us they received Christ because they were born again

Without faith you cannot receive the spirit

Without faith you cannot be born again through the indwelling spirit
 
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brightfame52

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TomFL said:
No it does not tell us they received Christ because they were born again

Without faith you cannot receive the spirit

Without faith you cannot be born again through the indwelling spirit
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Yes it does state in Vs 13 why they received Christ and believed on His Name Vs12, they had been born of God !
 
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TomFL

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brightfame52 said:
Yes it does state in Vs 13 why they received Christ and believed on His Name Vs12, they had been born of God !
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Nope

verse 12 shows the born children of God when they received Christ

receiving Christ precedes becoming born children of God
 
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TomFL

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brightfame52 said:
Yes, I started a thread on that very issue. Believing on Christ is the fruit of having been born of God.
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Sorry you cannot have the fruit of the spirit without the indwelling of the spirit

and you cannot have that unless you first believe

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TomFL

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brightfame52 said:
Right so those who believe were already born again !
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Read again

you affirmed the opposite of what you believe

Sorry you cannot have the fruit of the spirit without the indwelling of the spirit

and you cannot have that unless you first believe

and you cannot be born again apart from the spirit

Scripture verses already given
 
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brightfame52

Well-known member
TomFL said:
Read again

you affirmed the opposite of what you believe

Sorry you cannot have the fruit of the spirit without the indwelling of the spirit

and you cannot have that unless you first believe

and you cannot be born again apart from the spirit

Scripture verses already given
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Read already. Those who believe had been born of God. Believing/Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5 22
 
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TomFL

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brightfame52 said:
Read already. Those who believe had been born of God. Believing/Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5 22
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Those who are believing now were born of the Spirit becausae they had received Christ

One must receive Christ before one is a born child of Godn
 
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TomFL

Guest
brightfame52 said:
That is backwards and error!
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No that scripture

John 1:12 —ESV
“But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,”

to become a child of God you must be begotten of God which is to be born of God by receiving Christ
 
CrowCross

CrowCross

Super Member
TomFL said:
No that scripture

John 1:12 —ESV
“But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,”

to become a child of God you must be begotten of God which is to be born of God by receiving Christ
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I corrected the verse

“But to all who WILL receive him, who WILL believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,”

Now brightfame52 is correct.
 
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