brightfame52
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That means she was born of God prior to receving Jesus Jn 1 12-13
The "T" in TULIP - refuted in one verse.
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Theo1689
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What is the purpose of you discussing theology?
To "show" people how much you know/
To gain a better understanding of the Bible?
To convince others to change their beliefs?
<sigh>
I already did.
I really don't understand your obsession with asking the same question a million times, and then ignoring the answer when we give it.
So now you changed the question.
It doesn't say Lydia "truly worshipped God".
brightfame52
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Because she was a new creature in Christ and God gave her a spiritual hunger and thirst after righteousness.
brightfame52
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I believe thats the fruit of her being a new creature, and had been given the ability to discern and value spiritual truth with a new spiritual heart.
CrowCross
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What is meant by worshipper of God?
CrowCross
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I believe she was of the elect and would not say no. Could she? Perhaps...but why would she?
CrowCross
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No it doesn't.
There are some who who did receive Jesus, those who believed in Jesus' name...which at the time prior to having her heart opened as Lydia was a non-believer.... He gave the right to become children of God children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God. Lydia was not born of God until she became a believer.
Someone who reverenced God
brightfame52
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Yes it does. A no you wrong, you must be born of God in order to become a believer Jn 1:12-13
Sorry that is not what John states
John 1:12 —ESV
“But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,”
It is those who received who receive power to become born children of God
Children is teknon
brightfame52
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Yes John tells us in Jn 1 13 why they received/believed on Christ. Because they were born of God
No it does not tell us they received Christ because they were born again
Without faith you cannot receive the spirit
Without faith you cannot be born again through the indwelling spirit
brightfame52
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Yes it does state in Vs 13 why they received Christ and believed on His Name Vs12, they had been born of God !
Nope
verse 12 shows the born children of God when they received Christ
receiving Christ precedes becoming born children of God
brightfame52
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Yes, I started a thread on that very issue. Believing on Christ is the fruit of having been born of God.
Sorry you cannot have the fruit of the spirit without the indwelling of the spirit
and you cannot have that unless you first believe
Scripture verses already given
brightfame52
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Right so those who believe were already born again !
Read again
you affirmed the opposite of what you believe
Sorry you cannot have the fruit of the spirit without the indwelling of the spirit
and you cannot have that unless you first believe
and you cannot be born again apart from the spirit
Scripture verses already given
brightfame52
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Read already. Those who believe had been born of God. Believing/Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5 22