The twelve behind COVID misinformation

Bonnie

Super Member
:) Got Babylon Bee?

...but I heard that the delta variant is exceedingly contagious.

I listen to conservative and left-leaning radio nearly every day, and it's easy to identify when politics gets in the way of critical thinking.

A number of years from now the conversations will be different.


No, don't get it, but I know what it is. :)

I think that cartoon was a political cartoon from the AJC newspaper last week.
 

Harry Leggs

Super Member
C-19 originally identified as a bat virus? A year ago. Misinformation about C-19.



Zoonotic (animals to people) diseases are very common, both in the United States and around the world. Scientists estimate that more than 6 out of every 10 known infectious diseases in people can be spread from animals, and 3 out of every 4 new or emerging infectious diseases in people come from animals. Because of this, CDC works 24/7 to protect people from zoonotic diseases in the United States and around the world.
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The problem with COVID-19 is they cannot pin down an animal or animal group which allegedly infected humans which means C-19 is not zoonotic. They concocted it in a lab via humanized mice. :unsure:
 
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Authentic Nouveau

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Zoonotic (animals to people) diseases are very common, both in the United States and around the world. Scientists estimate that more than 6 out of every 10 known infectious diseases in people can be spread from animals, and 3 out of every 4 new or emerging infectious diseases in people come from animals. Because of this, CDC works 24/7 to protect people from zoonotic diseases in the United States and around the world.
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The problem with COVID-19 is they cannot pin down an animal or animal group which allegedly infected humans which means C-19 is not zoonotic. They concocted it in a lab via humanized mice. :unsure:

The Chinese have had almost 2 years to go catch a sick bat.

Fauchi in an e-mail agreed to claim it evolved in bats.
 

Harry Leggs

Super Member
The Chinese have had almost 2 years to go catch a sick bat.

Fauchi in an e-mail agreed to claim it evolved in bats.
I did notice Fauci was not on the list of C-19 misinformation. :unsure:


The initial Inertia list (#1) is more political rather than actual when it comes to misinformation. It's politicized and not detached science.
 

Harry Leggs

Super Member
:) Got Babylon Bee?

...but I heard that the delta variant is exceedingly contagious.

I listen to conservative and left-leaning radio nearly every day, and it's easy to identify when politics gets in the way of critical thinking.

A number of years from now the conversations will be different.


What is the gold standard test for the delta variant that is ravishing America and how come i don't know anybody that has it and is ravished?
 

LifeIn

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The problem with COVID-19 is they cannot pin down an animal or animal group which allegedly infected humans which means C-19 is not zoonotic.
This does not follow logically. Just because scientists have not positively identified which animal C-19 came from in the wild, that does not mean it didn't come from an animal in the wild. This is a common misconception - that whenever scientific information is incomplete, one can fill it in with whatever they can imagine.
 

vibise

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C-19 originally identified as a bat virus? A year ago. Misinformation about C-19.



Zoonotic (animals to people) diseases are very common, both in the United States and around the world. Scientists estimate that more than 6 out of every 10 known infectious diseases in people can be spread from animals, and 3 out of every 4 new or emerging infectious diseases in people come from animals. Because of this, CDC works 24/7 to protect people from zoonotic diseases in the United States and around the world.
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The problem with COVID-19 is they cannot pin down an animal or animal group which allegedly infected humans which means C-19 is not zoonotic. They concocted it in a lab via humanized mice. :unsure:
Absence of evidence of a proximal animal source of covid-19 does not mean it does not exist. After all, there are subpopulations of species that evolve separately and acquire different pathogens.

Similarly, lab carelessness can also not be ruled out.
 

inertia

Super Member
What is the gold standard test for the delta variant that is ravishing America and how come i don't know anybody that has it and is ravished?

I am unaware of how the term "gold standard" can be used here, but plain old-fashioned genome sequencing works.

From Johns Hopkins:

"The rise of a new dominant variant in the United States is not alone a cause for concern; if 82% of cases are Delta, but there are only 100 cases nationwide, then there is nothing to worry about. However, as shown below, the rise of Delta in the United States correlates with a rise in COVID-19 cases. The 7-day rolling average for new cases is now more than double what it was just a few weeks ago. Vaccinations made it possible to keep case numbers lower than previous spikes, but the trend is moving in the wrong direction with more cases every week instead of fewer. Changes to data trends should be watched closely and we should be prepared to respond to changing conditions in communities."

From CNBC:

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Bonnie

Super Member
I am unaware of how the term "gold standard" can be used here, but plain old-fashioned genome sequencing works.

From Johns Hopkins:

"The rise of a new dominant variant in the United States is not alone a cause for concern; if 82% of cases are Delta, but there are only 100 cases nationwide, then there is nothing to worry about. However, as shown below, the rise of Delta in the United States correlates with a rise in COVID-19 cases. The 7-day rolling average for new cases is now more than double what it was just a few weeks ago. Vaccinations made it possible to keep case numbers lower than previous spikes, but the trend is moving in the wrong direction with more cases every week instead of fewer. Changes to data trends should be watched closely and we should be prepared to respond to changing conditions in communities."

From CNBC:

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Wow, Missouri, Arkansas, and Louisiana have really low vaccine levels--and high new cases of covid.
 

Harry Leggs

Super Member
This does not follow logically.
If there is no animal then C-19 is not zoonotic by definition. That is logic.


This was surprising because both the SARS1 and MERS viruses had left copious traces in the environment. The intermediary host species of SARS1 was identified within four months of the epidemic’s outbreak, and the host of MERS within nine months. Yet some 15 months after the SARS2 pandemic began, and a presumably intensive search, Chinese researchers had failed to find either the original bat population, or the intermediate species to which SARS2 might have jumped, or any serological evidence that any Chinese population, including that of Wuhan, had ever been exposed to the virus prior to December 2019. Natural emergence remained a conjecture which, however plausible to begin with, had gained not a shred of supporting evidence in over a year.
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This means SARS1 and MERS is zoonotic while C-19 is not zoonotic. Why? No animal identified.
Just because scientists have not positively identified which animal C-19 came from in the wild, that does not mean it didn't come from an animal in the wild.
Then produce the animal. If there is no animal then it is not zoonotic. That is logic.
This is a common misconception - that whenever scientific information is incomplete
Appeals to the future is a logic fallacy since you have no crystal ball. They go by the information they have and all the information they have now is no animal identified and they have been looking.

, one can fill it in with whatever they can imagine.
What do you mean by that? If there is no animal then it is not zoonotic and that is fact. It either is or it is not and that excludes filling in whatever they want. Its limited to two options. Not whatever they can imagine. How hard can this be?
 
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Bonnie

Super Member
This does not follow logically. Just because scientists have not positively identified which animal C-19 came from in the wild, that does not mean it didn't come from an animal in the wild. This is a common misconception - that whenever scientific information is incomplete, one can fill it in with whatever they can imagine.
It took over 12 years to find the animal vector for SARS. It could take just as long to find the animal vector of the covid-19 virus, IF it is determined to be of natural origin.
 

Harry Leggs

Super Member
So all you have to do is prove there is no animal that covid could have come from and you will have made your point. I'll wait......
No, you have to identify the animal and that excludes theoretical or imaginary. The burden is on you. If not, then it is not zoonotic. :sneaky:
 

Harry Leggs

Super Member
Absence of evidence of a proximal animal source of covid-19 does not mean it does not exist.
Then show it or go home. How hard can this be? If they are looking for animal origins then they may be looking in the wrong place.
Similarly, lab carelessness can also not be ruled out.
Lab period.
It took over 12 years to find the animal vector for SARS.
From my link above

This was surprising because both the SARS1 and MERS viruses had left copious traces in the environment. The intermediary host species of SARS1 was identified within four months of the epidemic’s outbreak, and the host of MERS within nine months. Yet some 15 months after the SARS2 pandemic began, and a presumably intensive search, Chinese researchers had failed to find either the original bat population, or the intermediate species to which SARS2 might have jumped, or any serological evidence that any Chinese population, including that of Wuhan, had ever been exposed to the virus prior to December 2019. Natural emergence remained a conjecture which, however plausible to begin with, had gained not a shred of supporting evidence in over a year.
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4 months is not 12 years.

It could take just as long to find the animal vector of the covid-19 virus,
And they may never find animal origins because they are looking in the wrong place. It is called the drunkard's search. Looking for the car keys under the street lamp only.
IF it is determined to be of natural origin.
Wishful thinking does not get you there.
 

Harry Leggs

Super Member
I am unaware of how the term "gold standard" can be used here, but plain old-fashioned genome sequencing works.

From Johns Hopkins:

"The rise of a new dominant variant in the United States is not alone a cause for concern; if 82% of cases are Delta, but there are only 100 cases nationwide, then there is nothing to worry about. However, as shown below, the rise of Delta in the United States correlates with a rise in COVID-19 cases. The 7-day rolling average for new cases is now more than double what it was just a few weeks ago. Vaccinations made it possible to keep case numbers lower than previous spikes, but the trend is moving in the wrong direction with more cases every week instead of fewer. Changes to data trends should be watched closely and we should be prepared to respond to changing conditions in communities."

From CNBC:

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Over the past year, he has landed in hot water – because his findings about the standard pharmaceutical test apply directly to what is happening with world-famous Covid-19. This virus, as Saeed quietly notes, has never been isolated. Therefore there cannot possibly be any test for it. One can test only for what has been isolated. In other words, none of the tests for Covid-19 have any validity.


He further notes that there has been the use of confusing terminology, perhaps intended. While the virus has not been isolated, a similar-sounding term, “virus isolate,” is widely used. Though a virus isolate has nothing to do with an isolated virus, the term, “virus isolate” is likely to make lay people believe the virus has been isolated.


While the mainstream has not hailed Saeed, he has become a major contributor to Principia Scientific, which is committed to facts and logic.

Babylon Bee

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