The twelve behind COVID misinformation

vibise

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Did they purify to a particle that could transmit illness?

Do you believe that conjectured particle actually hijacks cell replication and bursts cells?
Why does a virus particle need to be purified in order to determine the sequence of its genome? There is absolutely no doubt that we have the viral sequence.
And how would you assess the ability of that supposedly purified particle to transmit illness without injecting it into a susceptible person?
And what is your means for assessing "purity"?

Viruses can definitely be lytic, but many are not. All viruses, however, hijack cellular genes to assist in their replication.
 

vibise

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1. June 7, 2021: CDC admits they have no record of any “COV - 2 or 19 virus” purified from any patient sample via maceration, filtration and use of an ultracentrifuge, by anyone, anywhere, ever:

If you did that, you would end up with a mix of viral particles and virus and cell debris.
 

inertia

Super Member

1. June 7, 2021: CDC admits they have no record of any “COV - 2 or 19 virus” purified from any patient sample via maceration, filtration and use of an ultracentrifuge, by anyone, anywhere, ever:


...then Naturopathic Practioner * Dr. Robert Young has an argument with the National Institute of Standards (NIST) calibration for the evaluation of clinical assays by researchers and laboratory professionals as discussed in the previous Nature Communications article. (referenced on post #249)

" We calibrate SARSeq on SARS-CoV-2 synthetic RNA, virions, and hundreds of human samples of various types. Robustness and sensitivity were virtually identical to quantitative RT-PCR. Double-blinded benchmarking to gold standard quantitative-RT-PCR performed by human diagnostics laboratories confirms this high sensitivity. SARSeq can be used to detect Influenza A and B viruses and human rhinovirus in parallel, and can be expanded for detection of other pathogens. Thus, SARSeq is ideally suited for differential diagnostic of infections during a pandemic. "


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One who practices massage, acupuncture, exercise, and nutritional counseling
 

Whateverman

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Attacking the source and ignoring the information. LOL!
Pointing out that a champion bowler has no expertise in virology isn't "attacking the source". It's pointing out that the source is no more authoritative than the yahoo who cites him as an authority on virology.
 

inertia

Super Member
Attacking the source and ignoring the information. LOL!

The CDC isn't involved in calibration standards. The requests for information should have been directed to NIST. So, it's not a surprise that the CDC responded by stating:

"A search of our records failed to reveal any documents pertaining to your request."
(This was essentially the CDC's response to each and every request presented on Dr. Young's webpage.)

This webpage looks more like an advertisement for his business.


 

Steven Avery

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Viruses can definitely be lytic, but many are not. All viruses, however, hijack cellular genes to assist in their replication.

For those that are lytic, can you show me pictures and proofs of the broken cells and the gazillion of of particles?
For any one virus, preferably human.

What does you Covid star do?
Budding, lysis, dunno, or other?

Can you help find who and when the cellular hijack theory began?

How many different types of cells can a sars-cov-2 hijack?
 
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Whateverman

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For those that are lytic, can you show me pictures and proofs of the broken cells and the gazillion of of particles?
For any one virus, preferably human.

What does you Covid star do?
Budding, lysis, dunno, or other?

Can you help find who and when the cellular hijack theory began?

How many different types of cells can a sars-cov-2 hijack?
Why are you coming to a fundamentalist Christian website and looking for scientific details? about viruses? Can't you go look this stuff up on your own?
 

vibise

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For those that are lytic, can you show me pictures and proofs of the broken cells and the gazillion of of particles?
For any one virus, preferably human.

What does you Covid star do?
Budding, lysis, dunno, or other?

Can you help find who and when the cellular hijack theory began?

How many different types of cells can a sars-cov-2 hijack?
Some viruses are lytic and some are lysogenic (where they reside in a cell without lysis), and some do both, depending on the circumstances.

Viruses that can do both include viruses that cause cold sores, herpes, mono, chicken pox, roseola, fifth disease. This is basic microbiology.
You can look this up if you do not believe me.

Covid buds out of the cell.

Virtually all viruses carry a small number of genes that manage to get them into a cell, but then they have to use the cell's machinery to complete their life cycle. For example, the simplest retroviruses carry only 3 genes. The envelope gene is like the spike protein and gets them into the cell. Their polymerase gene converts their RNA genome into DNA which then integrates into host chromosomes, but from that point on, they rely on host cell machinery to make mRNA that uses the cell machinery to make viral proteins, which then use cellular transport mechanisms to get to the cell surface and assemble into virions and then bud out.

This is also basic virology, and the basic concepts are decades and decades old. There has long been an argument about whether viruses are living entities because they are not really capable of independent reproduction.

If a virus can enter a cell, it will likely reproduce, unless that cell carries a host restriction factor that blocks its replication. There are a number of those factors that target specific viruses.
 

Steven Avery

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So what is the hard proof that this hijacking and replication occurs?

Can the covid viral material hijack many diverse types of cells? (per this theory)

Who first came up with this theory and when and how did they prove it at that time?
 

Whateverman

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So what is the hard proof that this hijacking and replication occurs?

Can the covid viral material hijack many diverse types of cells? (per this theory)

Who first came up with this theory and when and how did they prove it at that time?
See, when you come to a fundamentalist Christian discussion forum, and demand scientific proof for this or that thing, everyone can know you're not interested in finding the information you're demanding.
 

Steven Avery

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See, when you come to a fundamentalist Christian discussion forum, and demand scientific proof for this or that thing, everyone can know you're not interested in finding the information you're demanding.

Nonsense.
I am asking salient questions, and I have searched and discussed.

Is modern virus theory viable? That is what is on the line.

Based on the non-answers, nope, it is not.
 

Whateverman

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Nonsense.
I am asking salient questions
In a place where you will probably not get the kind of detail you're asking for. I wouldn't go to a Muslim discussion board to ask about the details of US economic policy, so why are you asking "salient questions" about virology in a conservative Christian forum?
 

CrowCross

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...then Naturopathic Practioner * Dr. Robert Young has an argument with the National Institute of Standards (NIST) calibration for the evaluation of clinical assays by researchers and laboratory professionals as discussed in the previous Nature Communications article. (referenced on post #249)

" We calibrate SARSeq on SARS-CoV-2 synthetic RNA, virions, and hundreds of human samples of various types. Robustness and sensitivity were virtually identical to quantitative RT-PCR. Double-blinded benchmarking to gold standard quantitative-RT-PCR performed by human diagnostics laboratories confirms this high sensitivity. SARSeq can be used to detect Influenza A and B viruses and human rhinovirus in parallel, and can be expanded for detection of other pathogens. Thus, SARSeq is ideally suited for differential diagnostic of infections during a pandemic. "


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One who practices massage, acupuncture, exercise, and nutritional counseling
That's kinda like saying a geiger counter can detect all kinds of radiation..which it can...but it can't differeniate between the isotopes...nor tell you how much energy is being given off by the isotope.

It's kinda like....yop, it came back with a CPM indication so we have radiation. Were going to assume it's cesium ....or yup we came back with a positive test so we're going to assume it's covid.
 

Steven Avery

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why are you asking "salient questions" about virology in a conservative Christian forum?

When fundamental questions cannot be answered, that can be a hint that a “scientific” con Is in play.

Time to rethink the basics.

e.g. Do you really believe that a cold, a simple detox, is caused by a “virus”?
 

vibise

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So what is the hard proof that this hijacking and replication occurs?

Can the covid viral material hijack many diverse types of cells? (per this theory)

Who first came up with this theory and when and how did they prove it at that time?
There are thousands of papers dealing with the nitty-gritty details of the life cycles of hundreds of viruses. These details are distilled into summaries in biology, microbiology and virology text books and review articles. Yes these sources contain hard proof.

Are you actually claiming you do not believe this?

Viruses hijack the machinery of any cell they infect and can replicate in. As I pointed out, viruses have small genomes and cannot carry all the genes they need to replicate, so they use host proteins in this process.

That this happens is fact.

This is from an abstract of a recent paper that describes how HIV uses cellular machinery in its replication:

Viruses are pathogens that have evolved to hijack the cellular machinery to replicate themselves and spread to new cells. During the course of evolution, viruses developed different strategies to overcome the cellular defenses and create new progeny. Among them, some RNA and many DNA viruses require access to the nucleus to replicate their genome. In non-dividing cells, viruses can only access the nucleus through the nuclear pore complex (NPC). Therefore, viruses have developed strategies to usurp the nuclear transport machinery and gain access to the nucleus. The majority of these viruses use the capsid to manipulate the nuclear import machinery. However, the particular tactics employed by each virus to reach the host chromatin compartment are very different.

 

vibise

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Nonsense.
I am asking salient questions, and I have searched and discussed.

Is modern virus theory viable? That is what is on the line.

Based on the non-answers, nope, it is not.
What do you think is non-viable about virology as science?

This field is definitely not "on the line", just because you are unfamiliar with the subject.
 

Steven Avery

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Let’s start with a very simple question.

Who first came up with the theory of hijacking cell replication with lysis as a result?
What evidence was given and what peer review occurred?

Thanks!
 

vibise

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When fundamental questions cannot be answered, that can be a hint that a “scientific” con Is in play.

Time to rethink the basics.

e.g. Do you really believe that a cold, a simple detox, is caused by a “virus”?
If you are unfamiliar with science, it does not mean that the science is a con.

Yes, viruses cause colds, chicken pox, measles, polio, Ebola and covid-19.
 

Steven Avery

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Yes these sources contain hard proof.
Are you actually claiming you do not believe this?
Viruses hijack the machinery of any cell they infect and can replicate in. As I pointed out, viruses have small genomes and cannot carry all the genes they need to replicate, so they use host proteins in this process.
That this happens is fact.

I’ve seen a lot of circularity, no proof.
 
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