The twelve behind COVID misinformation

Harry Leggs

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i answered all your questions.
You did not answer mine. If you can name the two ways viruses evolve and then identify the way the delta variant evolved then that would go a long way.

1)Which of the following is not a component of HIV?


Reverse transcriptase

Proteases

RNA

Protein

Ribosomes
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2) Which of the following is not a described type of virus?
I. A virus containing double strand DNA
II. A virus containing single strand DNA
III. A virus containing single strand RNA and single strand DNA
IV. A virus containing single strand RNA
V. A virus containing double strand RNA
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3) Sexually transmitted diseases are a common problem among young people in the United States. One of the more common diseases is caused by the bacterium Neisseria gonorrhoeae, which leads to inflammation and purulent discharge in the male and female reproductive tracts.
The bacterium has a number of systems to evade host defenses. Upon infection, it uses pili to adhere to host epithelium. The bacterium also uses an enzyme, gonococcal sialyltransferase, to transfer a sialyic acid residue to a gonococcal surface lipooligosaccharide (LOS). A depiction of this can be seen in Figure 1. The sialyic acid residue mimics the protective capsule found on other bacterial species.
Once infection is established, Neisseria preferentially infects columnar epithelial cells in the female reproductive tract, and leads to a loss of cilia on these cells. Damage to the reproductive tract can result in pelvic inflammatory disease, which can complicate pregnancies later in the life of the woman.
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Which of the following is true of Neisseria, but not true of a virus?

Possible Answers:
Neisseria infects only one cell type; viruses have wide variety in their cellular targets

Neisseria contains DNA; all viruses contain RNA

Neisseria does not have flagella; all viruses have flagella

Neisseria has ribosomes; viruses do not have ribosomes

Neisseria is enveloped; no viruses are enveloped
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These are easy ones.
 
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vibise

Well-known member
You did not answer mine. If you can name the two ways viruses evolve and then identify the way the delta variant evolved then that would go a long way.

1)Which of the following is not a component of HIV?


Reverse transcriptase

Proteases

RNA

Protein

Ribosomes
---------------------------------------
2) Which of the following is not a described type of virus?
I. A virus containing double strand DNA
II. A virus containing single strand DNA
III. A virus containing single strand RNA and single strand DNA
IV. A virus containing single strand RNA
V. A virus containing double strand RNA
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3) Sexually transmitted diseases are a common problem among young people in the United States. One of the more common diseases is caused by the bacterium Neisseria gonorrhoeae, which leads to inflammation and purulent discharge in the male and female reproductive tracts.
The bacterium has a number of systems to evade host defenses. Upon infection, it uses pili to adhere to host epithelium. The bacterium also uses an enzyme, gonococcal sialyltransferase, to transfer a sialyic acid residue to a gonococcal surface lipooligosaccharide (LOS). A depiction of this can be seen in Figure 1. The sialyic acid residue mimics the protective capsule found on other bacterial species.
Once infection is established, Neisseria preferentially infects columnar epithelial cells in the female reproductive tract, and leads to a loss of cilia on these cells. Damage to the reproductive tract can result in pelvic inflammatory disease, which can complicate pregnancies later in the life of the woman.
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Which of the following is true of Neisseria, but not true of a virus?

Possible Answers:
Neisseria infects only one cell type; viruses have wide variety in their cellular targets

Neisseria contains DNA; all viruses contain RNA

Neisseria does not have flagella; all viruses have flagella

Neisseria has ribosomes; viruses do not have ribosomes

Neisseria is enveloped; no viruses are enveloped
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These are easy ones.
I am happy to answer questions that you ask to obtain information, but I am not going to play along with a silly quiz like this. Do you really think I don't know that viruses do not have ribosomes, for example? Or that it would be hard to give examples of viral evolution?
 

inertia

Super Member
So, they were using those instruments last Nov?

I have reason to believe so because the feasibility of introducing an effective and robust detection method based on real-time RT-PCR was reported in January 2020 (for 2019-nCoV screening and specific confirmation).

The tests were accomplished with ThermoFisher instrumentation.



 

Harry Leggs

Well-known member
I am happy to answer questions that you ask to obtain information, but I am not going to play along with a silly quiz like this. Do you really think I don't know that viruses do not have ribosomes, for example? Or that it would be hard to give examples of viral evolution?
That means you flunk the test. Seems you can't even comprehend the questions. Two ways viruses evolve? Not examples. I know i asked you that question at last once before and you did not answer so your so-called credentials (PH.D) is demonstrated to be wrong.
 

CrowCross

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I have reason to believe so because the feasibility of introducing an effective and robust detection method based on real-time RT-PCR was reported in January 2020 (for 2019-nCoV screening and specific confirmation).

The tests were accomplished with ThermoFisher instrumentation.



As we understand the bio-weapon more and more the test can be made better and better. Until recently..if you believe it...the test could not differentiate between the flu and covid.

Many people were misdiognosed and given the diagnosis of...you have covid. That info was spun and allowed for the lockdown.
Currently they are pushing for another lockdown. Personally I think the people will say...nope, not again.



Your linked article lost me at "According to the World Health Organization (WHO),"
 

CrowCross

Well-known member
I am happy to answer questions that you ask to obtain information, but I am not going to play along with a silly quiz like this. Do you really think I don't know that viruses do not have ribosomes, for example? Or that it would be hard to give examples of viral evolution?
The virus RNA is read by the ribosome...and then reproduced.

Covid-19 became what it is because of Intelligent Design...and has currently become weaker.
 

vibise

Well-known member
That means you flunk the test. Seems you can't even comprehend the questions. Two ways viruses evolve? Not examples. I know i asked you that question at last once before and you did not answer so your so-called credentials (PH.D) is demonstrated to be wrong.
I can't flunk a test I did not take.
Your test is laughable. Would you ask a historian to name the one who was not POTUS from a list including Washington, Truman, Buchanan and Benedict Arnold? That is the level of your test.
I am not jumping through your hoops, but will answer legitimate questions that seek information.

And note that I already posted a listing of the Baltimore virus classifications that answers one of your questions.
 

vibise

Well-known member
As we understand the bio-weapon more and more the test can be made better and better. Until recently..if you believe it...the test could not differentiate between the flu and covid.

Many people were misdiognosed and given the diagnosis of...you have covid. That info was spun and allowed for the lockdown.
Currently they are pushing for another lockdown. Personally I think the people will say...nope, not again.



Your linked article lost me at "According to the World Health Organization (WHO),"
It is not true that the test could not distinguish between the flu and covid. Your side is misunderstanding the nature of the test (to put it nicely).
From the AP:
CLAIM: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention revoked Emergency Use Authorization for coronavirus PCR tests because they were inaccurate, led to false positives and confused positive influenza cases with COVID-19.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. PCR tests are considered the gold standard for coronavirus testing. CDC announced after this year it will be withdrawing its request to the FDA for Emergency Use Authorization for one early PCR test, not because that test is inaccurate, but because it can only detect coronavirus. Newer tests can now also test for influenza at the same time.

THE FACTS: The FDA has approved roughly 280 PCR coronavirus tests, which determine whether sequences from the viruses’ RNA genome are present in a patient’s nasal swab. Early in the pandemic, in February 2020, the CDC introduced a COVID-19 PCR test, known as the “CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel.”

Some newer coronavirus tests can now also simultaneously test whether a patient is positive for influenza, but the CDC’s February 2020 PCR test only has the capacity to detect signs of a COVID-19 infection.

On July 21, the CDC announced that after this year, it would no longer request an Emergency Use Authorization from the FDA for that one test, which means laboratories will stop using it.

Kristen Nordlund, health communication specialist at the CDC, told The Associated Press the move was because newer PCR testing options now exist.

“The CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019 nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel met an important unmet need when it was developed and deployed and has not demonstrated any performance issues,” Nordlund said.

She said the agency was encouraging labs to switch to tests that can also detect influenza at the same time, since it will “save both time and resources.”

But social media users misinterpreted and misrepresented the announcement. False claims circulated on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram that the CDC’s move meant the agency and the FDA had admitted PCR tests do not work. Some posts online falsely said the test was unable to differentiate between coronavirus and influenza, leading to inflated COVID-19 counts and depressed flu counts.

In fact, PCR tests are designed to detect very specific areas of the viral genome, so tests do not get confused between which virus is present, said Matthew Binnicker, director of the clinical virology lab at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota.

“PCR tests, including the one developed by the CDC, are highly accurate and are able to differentiate between SARS-CoV-2 and influenza,” Binnicker said. “In other words, a COVID-19 test will not be positive if a person really has influenza, and vice versa.”

Binnicker said there are benefits to having one test that can detect both viruses, since the symptoms for both illnesses are often similar early on.
 

vibise

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The virus RNA is read by the ribosome...and then reproduced.

Covid-19 became what it is because of Intelligent Design...and has currently become weaker.
Viruses use the infected cell's ribosomes to read the viral RNA. Virus particles function to introduce the viral DNA or RNA into a host cell, so the host cell can make more viruses.

The DELTA variant of covid-19 is more infectious, and viral loads in infected people are 1000 times higher than for the original covid virus. This virus is NOT getting weaker.
 

CrowCross

Well-known member
Viruses use the infected cell's ribosomes to read the viral RNA. Virus particles function to introduce the viral DNA or RNA into a host cell, so the host cell can make more viruses.

The DELTA variant of covid-19 is more infectious, and viral loads in infected people are 1000 times higher than for the original covid virus. This virus is NOT getting weaker.
If I can show you the so-called delta variant doesn't kill as many people...(has gotten weaker)...will you terminate your CARM account?
 

Authentic Nouveau

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I am happy to answer questions that you ask to obtain information, but I am not going to play along with a silly quiz like this. Do you really think I don't know that viruses do not have ribosomes, for example? Or that it would be hard to give examples of viral evolution?
Running away from questions.

If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.

A Einstein

Why don't you know?
 

vibise

Well-known member
If I can show you the so-called delta variant doesn't kill as many people...(has gotten weaker)...will you terminate your CARM account?
Why would I do that?
If you are shown to be wrong about anything, would you do the same?

As far as I can tell, the delta variant grows to a higher titer in infected individuals and is therefore more easily transmissible. Because of this, this variant now predominates in the USA. The more people that are infected, the more will sicken and possibly die, although it may be that individual patients infected with alpha or delta are equally in danger of disease and death.
 

CrowCross

Well-known member
Why would I do that?
If you are shown to be wrong about anything, would you do the same?

As far as I can tell, the delta variant grows to a higher titer in infected individuals and is therefore more easily transmissible. Because of this, this variant now predominates in the USA. The more people that are infected, the more will sicken and possibly die, although it may be that individual patients infected with alpha or delta are equally in danger of disease and death.
Actually they say so-called delta variant is the spike protein.
 

vibise

Well-known member
Actually they say so-called delta variant is the spike protein.
This makes no sense.

The spike protein is part of the viral envelope that binds to the cellular ACE2 receptor which is the first step in entry into the cell. This protein is encoded by the coronavirus genome - all coronaviruses encode this protein, although there are sequence and possibly functional variants that might influence receptor interactions.
 

CrowCross

Well-known member
This makes no sense.

The spike protein is part of the viral envelope that binds to the cellular ACE2 receptor which is the first step in entry into the cell. This protein is encoded by the coronavirus genome - all coronaviruses encode this protein, although there are sequence and possibly functional variants that might influence receptor interactions.
The jab also has the instructions to make the spikes...spike deniers such as you will deny this. They (you) will also deny the spikes can enter the blood and cause problems elsewhere.

Here's another headline for you

In Israel, the most vaccinated country in the world, HALF of all new “delta” infections are occurring in “fully vaccinated” people​

 

Thistle

Well-known member
Sixty-five percent of online misinformation on COVID vaccines is linked to a dozen individuals that have 59 million followers. [ 73% on Facebook ]

"A bit of background: the modern anti-vax movement started in the late 1990s, focusing primarily on childhood vaccines, especially the vaccines against measles, mumps, and rubella, and using (initially) a fraudulent study published in The Lancet to scare people about a non-existent link between vaccines and autism. That study was eventually retracted, and the lead author, Andrew Wakefield, lost his medical license after his fraud came to light."

The twelve:
  1. Joseph Mercola
  2. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
  3. Ty and Charlene Bollinger
  4. Sherri Tenpenny
  5. Rizza Islam
  6. Rashid Buttar
  7. Erin Elizabeth
  8. Sayer Ji
  9. Kelly Brogan
  10. Christiane Northrup
  11. Ben Tapper
  12. Kevin Jenkins
The types of misinformation range from "denying that COVID exists, claiming that false cures are in fact the way to solve COVID and not vaccination, decrying vaccines and decrying doctors as being in some way venal or motivated by other factors when they recommend vaccines,"...

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@inertia, I don't know who any of these people are and I've not seen anything that anything that they may have produced. My son who is otherwise a perilous physical specimen got the Covid vaccine and he came out early in the year to help me move some things, on leave from US Army, and at one point he said "I think I need to take a break." I thought that was extremely unusual because in Boot Camp he was one of only two soldiers with a perfect PT score of 300 in an entire battalion. We took a little bit of a break and I didn't think about it again until he called me back a couple weeks later and said "dad have you taken the Covid vaccine yet?" I said I haven't got around to it "I'm planning on scheduling it." He said "don't do that. When I asked you to take a break when we were moving some furniture I was having chest pain's they were so bad I almost had you take me to the emergency room." He and I both have a nearly imperceptible heart arrhythmia which can only be detected on an EKG. Considering we have it as close to identical DNA as you can possibly get without being the same person I'm waiting on the Novavax vaccine. These are experimental vaccines, based on the kind of technology that has never been administered to humans before, and there are people having difficulty with them, and I don't want to be one of those people experiencing difficulties. It is not FDA approved. It has a temporary approval. There is either good reasons of the FDA goes through the various approval steps that they go through, or not. So which is it?
 

inertia

Super Member
@inertia, I don't know who any of these people are and I've not seen anything that anything that they may have produced. My son who is otherwise a perilous physical specimen got the Covid vaccine and he came out early in the year to help me move some things, on leave from US Army, and at one point he said "I think I need to take a break." I thought that was extremely unusual because in Boot Camp he was one of only two soldiers with a perfect PT score of 300 in an entire battalion. We took a little bit of a break and I didn't think about it again until he called me back a couple weeks later and said "dad have you taken the Covid vaccine yet?" I said I haven't got around to it "I'm planning on scheduling it." He said "don't do that. When I asked you to take a break when we were moving some furniture I was having chest pain's they were so bad I almost had you take me to the emergency room." He and I both have a nearly imperceptible heart arrhythmia which can only be detected on an EKG. Considering we have it as close to identical DNA as you can possibly get without being the same person I'm waiting on the Novavax vaccine. These are experimental vaccines, based on the kind of technology that has never been administered to humans before, and there are people having difficulty with them, and I don't want to be one of those people experiencing difficulties. It is not FDA approved. It has a temporary approval. There is either good reasons of the FDA goes through the various approval steps that they go through, or not. So which is it?

This is awful. Is your son doing better now? If I were walking in your shoes I would not receive any of the vaccines either. A small percentage of people have adverse effects, and I am sad that your son was one of them.

Many of the people listed on the top twelve misinformation spreading list are engaged in the promotion and use of pseudoscientific therapies, including alternative medicines without formal training in medicine, and one of them even claims that COVID19 vaccines magnetize people for example. One of them claimed on Facebook that the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine killed more people than the virus itself. Number one on the list was warned by the FDA to stop selling unproved COVID-19 cures.

As you already know, the manufacturers ( Pfizer and Moderna ) have officially submitted applications for full approval after at least seven months of emergency use with ~ 183 million people. In addition, there are a number of peer-reviewed scientific papers that support the mRNA vaccine's safety and effectiveness based on the initial clinical trials.


 
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inertia

Super Member
The jab also has the instructions to make the spikes...spike deniers such as you will deny this. They (you) will also deny the spikes can enter the blood and cause problems elsewhere.

Here's another headline for you

In Israel, the most vaccinated country in the world, HALF of all new “delta” infections are occurring in “fully vaccinated” people​


...and effectiveness remains high for severe disease. Apparently, Israel is observing diminished protection with the delta variant for people that have been vaccinated longer.

"...the debate between whether the infections are related to the timing of the vaccine versus whether the vaccine provides robust protection is "the million-dollar question," though evidence over the past several weeks shows there is, in fact, waning immunity."
 
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