The twelve behind COVID misinformation

[vibise]

How many replications cause a cell to break?
The diameter of the "virus" is about 1/1000 of the cell. Sounds like you would need a gazillion.

Please show some of the "plenty of pictures" of these viruses breaking cells. There are many lytic viruses, so that should be easy.

When cells do not die, what is the actual harm of the virus?

Pictures where?

How does covid supposedly compromise such a wide variety of cells?
Don't all these different organ cells they all have their own unique replication elements? How much of a genius is this virus?

I do not work with lytic viruses.

Some viruses, like retroviruses, can insert themselves into the host genome, and can disrupt the expression of nearby genes. If those genes control growth, then the cell could be induced to replicate uncontrollably, causing cancer.

Covid is a new virus, and while studies on this virus have ramped up quickly, there are major gaps in our knowledge about it.

There are certainly things like transcription factors that are cell type specific and that can interact with some viruses.

 

[inertia]

What is the difference between scanning and transmission electron microscopes? If you don't mind telling me.

The names of the devices are suggestive of how they operate. A transmission electron microscope propagates electrons through a specimen and produces an image on the other side. A scanning electron microscope raster scans* the electrons and reimages the scatter from the surface of a specimen in a saw tooth pattern.

Old TVs provided a raster-scanned image too.

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* Reference and credit

 

[Steven Avery]

I do not work with lytic viruses

However, these would make the simplest, clearest pictures, with the burst cells and the many viruses all surrounding, with the virus having a diameter about 1/1,000 of the diameter of the cell.

So, if the theory were true, there should be nice pictures everywhere.

Can you point us to a couple?

And if there are no such pictures, then that would indicate a problem with the theory.

Thanks!

 

[Carol]

The wisdom that charlatans and everyone else within the entire spectrum of humanity need to understand:

God made us in His image, and He sent His only son to us.

"I tell you the solemn truth, the one who hears my message and believes the one who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, but has crossed over from death to life." Jesus (John 5:24, NET)

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20 Where is the wise person? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has God not made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom;


18 Take care that no one deceives himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in the sight of God. For it is written: “He is the one who catches the wise by their craftiness”; 20 and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are useless.”

1 Cor 1, 3

 

[vibise]

However, these would make the simplest, clearest pictures, with the burst cells and the many viruses all surrounding, with the virus having a diameter about 1/1,000 of the diameter of the cell.

So, if the theory were true, there should be nice pictures everywhere.

Can you point us to a couple?

And if there are no such pictures, then that would indicate a problem with the theory.

Thanks!

TEM of bacterial lysis by T4 phage infection - Stock Image - M090/0048

Transmission electron micrograph (TEM) showing the start of lysis (destruction) of a rod-shaped bacterium by T4 bacteriophages (viruses that infect bacteria). Bacteriophages (ovals with stalks) infect the bacterium, commanding the cell's genetic machinery to code for its own replication...

www.sciencephoto.com

Figure 1. The bacteriolytic lifecycle of phages. (Left) Scanning...

Download scientific diagram | The bacteriolytic lifecycle of phages. (Left) Scanning electron microscopy of a bacterial cell (Acinetobacter baumannii, false color) being lysed by phage (vB-GEC_Ab-M-G7) [93] infection. (Right) Phages infect bacteria by first attaching (a) to susceptible cells via...

www.researchgate.net

There are nice pictures everywhere. Since you are so focused on this point, why did you not bother to look yourself.

Where did you get that 1/1000 number?

 

[vibise]

However, these would make the simplest, clearest pictures, with the burst cells and the many viruses all surrounding, with the virus having a diameter about 1/1,000 of the diameter of the cell.

So, if the theory were true, there should be nice pictures everywhere.

Can you point us to a couple?

And if there are no such pictures, then that would indicate a problem with the theory.

Thanks!

Here is another one

Tem Of Bacterial Lysis Due To T4 Phage Infection Metal Print by Biozentrum, University Of Basel.

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[inertia]

20 Where is the wise person? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has God not made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom;


18 Take care that no one deceives himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in the sight of God. For it is written: “He is the one who catches the wise by their craftiness”; 20 and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are useless.”

1 Cor 1, 3

Amen.

"Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts. And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him." ( Colossians 3:16-17)

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[inertia]

TEM of bacterial lysis by T4 phage infection - Stock Image - M090/0048

Transmission electron micrograph (TEM) showing the start of lysis (destruction) of a rod-shaped bacterium by T4 bacteriophages (viruses that infect bacteria). Bacteriophages (ovals with stalks) infect the bacterium, commanding the cell's genetic machinery to code for its own replication...

www.sciencephoto.com

Figure 1. The bacteriolytic lifecycle of phages. (Left) Scanning...

Download scientific diagram | The bacteriolytic lifecycle of phages. (Left) Scanning electron microscopy of a bacterial cell (Acinetobacter baumannii, false color) being lysed by phage (vB-GEC_Ab-M-G7) [93] infection. (Right) Phages infect bacteria by first attaching (a) to susceptible cells via...

www.researchgate.net

There are nice pictures everywhere. Since you are so focused on this point, why did you not bother to look yourself.

Where did you get that 1/1000 number?

...and all of these images were made possible with optics* coupled with optical engineering.

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* a subfield of physics

 

[Carol]

Amen.

"Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts. And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him." ( Colossians 3:16-17)

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Yes.

But government, the health care INDUSTRY, science- things of this world.

 

[inertia]

Yes.

But government, the health care INDUSTRY, science- things of this world.

Indeed.

A follower of Jesus has faith in God and can have respect for science while understanding that one is perfect while the other has uncertainty. A Christian doesn't have reason to fear exploration and the accumulation of knowledge (science).

" The heavens declare the glory of God; the sky displays his handiwork. Day after day it speaks out; night after night it reveals his greatness. There is no actual speech or word, nor is its voice literally heard. Yet its voice echoes throughout the earth; its words carry to the distant horizon. In the sky he has pitched a tent for the sun. " (Psalm 19:1-4)

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[Carol]

Indeed.

A follower of Jesus has faith in God and can have respect for science while understanding that one is perfect while the other has uncertainty. A Christian doesn't have reason to fear exploration and the accumulation of knowledge (science).

Fear?
Well aren't you slick....

" The heavens declare the glory of God; the sky displays his handiwork. Day after day it speaks out; night after night it reveals his greatness. There is no actual speech or word, nor is its voice literally heard. Yet its voice echoes throughout the earth; its words carry to the distant horizon. In the sky he has pitched a tent for the sun. " (Psalm 19:1-4)

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[inertia]

Fear?
Well aren't you slick....

Not "slick" enough to jump out of a well-maintained aircraft without a parachute.

The Bible also has a lot to say about government.

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[vibise]

Yes.

But government, the health care INDUSTRY, science- things of this world.

Well, we all live in this world, and at least most of us want to make it as safe as possible.

 

[Carol]

Not "slick" enough to jump out of a well-maintained aircraft without a parachute.

You need science to tell you that?

The Bible also has a lot to say about government.

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Democratic republics?

I do recall Israel wanting to be like other nations....

 

[inertia]

You need science to tell you that?

I don't have fear of the physics that will keep me safe, just as I do not have any fear that the biochemistry behind the Moderna vaccine has protected me from SARS-CoV-2. (TBT on the delta variant)

We still test parachutes for extreme physics environments.

Democratic republics?

I do recall Israel wanting to be like other nations....

I've got reason to believe that you know this:

"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except by God's appointment, and the authorities that exist have been instituted by God. So the person who resists such authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will incur judgment." (Romans 13:1:1-2, NET)

Roman prisons were probably not Paul's ideal place to spread the Word. God had a different idea.

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[inertia]

Well, we all live in this world, and at least most of us want to make it as safe as possible.

Preparation and understanding are key.

"You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. Make sure that you are not alarmed, for this must happen, but the end is still to come." Jesus (Matthew 24:6 )

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[Bonnie]

From wikipedia (translated from German):






Measles is a virus. There is no controversy about that. It is perhaps the most infectious virus known.

The decision in favor of Lanka, the conspiracy theorist, was based on the fact that his challenge demanded a single paper to show that measles is a virus and the challenge was answered by someone providing 6 papers, instead of a single one. What is wrong with that German court!?!?!

Never heard of that guy. But 6 papers instead of one???? And the court ruled in favor of Lanka??? That is absurd!

As for being perhaps the most infectious, it would probably tie with the chicken pox virus for being the most infectious.

 

[Carol]

I don't have fear of the physics that will keep me safe,

Who said you had to?

just as I do not have any fear that the biochemistry behind the Moderna vaccine has protected me from SARS-CoV-2. (TBT on the delta variant)

And I don't fear covid.
The info isn't all in on this, and there are many "breakthrough" cases.

The panic has been exaggerated.
I'd add big pharma and many in government to your list. At least the people who buy from those on your list choose to spend their money....

We still test parachutes for extreme physics environments.



I've got reason to believe that you know this:

"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except by God's appointment, and the authorities that exist have been instituted by God. So the person who resists such authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will incur judgment." (Romans 13:1:1-2, NET)

Roman prisons were probably not Paul's ideal place to spread the Word. God had a different idea.

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Paul isn't the Lord and this isn't Rome.

 

[inertia]

And I don't fear covid.
The info isn't all in on this, and there are many "breakthrough" cases.

"breakthrough" = primarily delta variant

The panic has been exaggerated.

Even if ^that^ were true, it's always wise to protect oneself and one's family. Misinformation as shown throughout this thread is never in the category of "good". Real, honest, careful, evaluation based on the best information available is a better strategy.

I'd add big pharma and many in government to your list. At least the people who buy from those on your list choose to spend their money....

An unrelenting mistrust and suspicion of hard-working scientists, especially when there is no reason to be suspicious, is an unsound attitude when rational action is readily accessible.

A coffee enema isn't a sound treatment for COVID-19. No, vaccines do not magnetize people. Vitamin supplements do not cure COVID-19.

Paul isn't the Lord and this isn't Rome.

...and God wanted Paul to communicate truth concerning governing authorities and our behavior/ attitude about them for all time.

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[Bonnie]

"breakthrough" = primarily delta variant



Even if ^that^ were true, it's always wise to protect oneself and one's family. Misinformation as shown throughout this thread is never in the category of "good". Real, honest, careful, evaluation based on the best information available is a better strategy.



An unrelenting mistrust and suspicion of hard-working scientists, especially when there is no reason to be suspicious, is an unsound attitude when rational action is readily accessible.

A coffee enema isn't a sound treatment for COVID-19. No, vaccines do not magnetize people. Vitamin supplements do not cure COVID-19.



...and God wanted Paul to communicate truth concerning governing authorities and our behavior/ attitude about them for all time.

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I agree. While we should not be living in fear over covid, neither should we be dismissive about it, and ignore its potential dangers. My husband knew a pastor in his 50's, in good health, who did not take covid seriously, and never took precautions. He died of covid 5 months ago.

It is always best to be wise and prudent about covid-19, realize its potential for transmission and seriousness, and take necessary precautions. That just shows good, common sense, to minimize exposure to a potentially serious disease.