They don’t grasp the providence of God. God will ensure that every elect sheep will be gathered into the sheep pen. We see this in John 10 as Jesus uses the Shepherd and sheep analogy. We see this also in John 17 in His “High Priestly Prayer”, as He prays, not only for those who are with Him them, but all those who will believe afterwards[vss 20-21].So, this is your dodgy way of saying you can't disprove what I said. Very nice. I could have gone deeper, but I was keeping it short. (My last comment, different thread, took about two hours to write.) If you note, I quoted someone who was not the OP, and the argument is aimed at HIS COMMENT. I did add some parts of the OP, but the point was to show that there is no rational, logical dilemma if you take the Calvinistic approach. It is actually pretty cut and dry. Just because you don't believe God is faithful, does not mean that I also don't believe God is faithful.