The Value of Evangelism in Reform Theology

brightfame52

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Israel not sheep

and you did not respond to the fact God loved Israel and all were not sheep

Loving your own is not a statement you love no other
Israel and Sheep are the same Matt 15 24

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel
 

brightfame52

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Not when we read God loved the world and Christ tells everyone to love your neighbor so you can be like your Father in heaven

Hello
Christ is specific about who He died for. All the Sheep which constitutes the World. It's simple the World of the believing Sheep
 

TomFL

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Christ is specific about who He died for. All the Sheep which constitutes the World. It's simple the World of the believing Sheep
Never say the sheep alone

I like red skittles does not mean I don't like blue skittles

Your logic is defective
 

TomFL

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Christ is specific about who He died for. All the Sheep which constitutes the World. It's simple the World of the believing Sheep
Sorry world is a bigger term than sheep

and includes those who will never believe

John 12:47 —KJV
“And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”
 

brightfame52

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Never say the sheep alone

I like red skittles does not mean I don't like blue skittles

Your logic is defective
You don't go by what scripture does not say but what it says, especially when it is specific. Christ specifically said He died for the Sheep. Beyond that you are speculating. That is not faith in the word of God!
 

brightfame52

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Sorry world is a bigger term than sheep

and includes those who will never believe

John 12:47 —KJV
“And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”
The World of the Sheep is quite large, a world that has a people so numerous that no man can number
 

TomFL

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You don't go by what scripture does not say but what it says, especially when it is specific. Christ specifically said He died for the Sheep. Beyond that you are speculating. That is not faith in the word of God!
You do

you add the word alone to John

as I told you

I like red skittles does not mean I don't like blue skittles

Your logic is defective
 

brightfame52

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You do

you add the word alone to John

as I told you

I like red skittles does not mean I don't like blue skittles

Your logic is defective
You teach speculation and not the Gospel promises of God. Who did Jesus specifically come to save Matt 1:21
 

TomFL

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You teach speculation and not the Gospel promises of God. Who did Jesus specifically come to save Matt 1:21

Scripture is not speculation

John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.
 

brightfame52

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Scripture is not speculation

John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.
Scripture isn't but your imagination and speculation is. Who is Christ promised to save Matt 1 21
 

TomFL

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Scripture isn't but your imagination and speculation is. Who is Christ promised to save Matt 1 21
He saves all who believe having given his life for all

Scripture is not speculation

John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.
 

brightfame52

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He saves all who believe having given his life for all

Scripture is not speculation

John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.
Once again it's His Sheep or People!
 

TomFL

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Once again it's His Sheep or People!
Sheep was not the definition given by the lexicon

He saves all who believe having given his life for all

John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.
 

brightfame52

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Sheep was not the definition given by the lexicon

He saves all who believe having given his life for all

John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.
It doesnt have to say sheep in the lexicon. Lexicons are not the scripture. Who did Jesus die for Jn 10 ? Its not in the lexicon
 

TomFL

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It doesnt have to say sheep in the lexicon. Lexicons are not the scripture. Who did Jesus die for Jn 10 ? Its not in the lexicon
The scripture does not say sheep either

Sheep was not the definition given by the lexicon

He saves all who believe having given his life for all

John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.

and John's use of world precludes such limitation

John 12:47 —KJV
“And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”
 

Theo1689

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John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.

You keep skipping over the "but especially of believers" part.
 

TomFL

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You keep skipping over the "but especially of believers" part.
Not at all

They would of course be included in all mankind even especially so

However it does seem you skip the all mankind which cannot be eliminated from the definition

;b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.
 

brightfame52

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The scripture does not say sheep either

Sheep was not the definition given by the lexicon

He saves all who believe having given his life for all

John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.

and John's use of world precludes such limitation

John 12:47 —KJV
“And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”
I showed you Sheep enough!
 
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