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It remains an assumptionDoesnt have to, its a given ! Jn 10
It remains an assumptionDoesnt have to, its a given ! Jn 10
Lol, it remains a fact son Jn 10It remains an assumption
What is absent cannot be a factLol, it remains a fact son Jn 10
Sorry that does not compute. Jn 10 11 15What is absent cannot be a fact
Again the word alone does not appear in that passageSorry that does not compute. Jn 10 11 15
The other specific of exactly who Christ gave Himself for Eph 5:25-27Again the word alone does not appear in that passage
And the word alone does not appear there eitherThe other specific of exactly who Christ gave Himself for Eph 5:25-27
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 that he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish
Now who does Paul say specifically that Christ died for here in this passage ? Read it very carefully plese !
You dont go by what scripture doesnt say, but by what it specifically states. Who did Christ die for specifically in Eph 5 25-27And the word alone does not appear there either
2 Pet. 2:1 —CSB17
“¶ There were indeed false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves.”
IndeedYou dont go by what scripture doesnt say, but by what it specifically states. Who did Christ die for specifically in Eph 5 25-27
SoIndeed
2 Pet. 2:1 —CSB17
“¶ There were indeed false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves.”
but you ignore it
Who did he die for hereSo
Who did Christ die for specifically in Eph 5 25-27
The same ones He died for here Eph 5 25-27 and here Jn 10 11 15Who did he die for here
Gal. 2:20 —CSB17
“I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.”
here
Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”
here
1 Tim. 2:1–6 —KJV
Ҧ I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
Who did he die for here
Gal. 2:20 —CSB17
“I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.”
here
Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”
here
1 Tim. 2:1–6 —KJV
Ҧ I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
The error you are making here is that you are ASSUMING that those passages answer the question of, "Please identify exactly who Christ died for" when that's not the question they're answering.
Rather you reject scripture
John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
1 Tim. 2:1–6 —KJV
Ҧ I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”
Nope, I don't "reject" that Scripture either.John 6:51 (KJV 1900)
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Nope, I don't "reject" that Scripture either.2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
Nope, I don't "reject" that Scripture either.Isaiah 53:6 (KJV 1900)
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned every one to his own way;
And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Nope.
Nope.
I don't "reject" that Scripture.
In fact, I wrote a very lengthy blog post exegeting that verse.
Except you imagined world in Jn 3:16 referred to a place and you were refuted by
b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.
William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.
better to not mention your "exegesis"
That's not mockery that is fact and piece of good advise based on the factAh, mockery... Can you tell me which fruit of the Spirit that is?
Since God's redemptive plan excludes most people, there is no basis for us to tell a lost person that God loves them, that Jesus died for them,
that they should believe in Christ for salvation, or that there is hope beyond the grave.
If the lost person is not elect, we would be misleading them if we said any of those things.
Indeed, it is difficult to see how we could make any honest gospel presentation knowing most people are by God's purposes not savable.
Not only that, since salvation hangs on God's elective determination before creation and not on a present decision for Christ, we must make this TULIP reality personal. We must come to grips with the fact that many of those we know, and perhaps some of those closest to us, have no possibility of being reconciled to God because they are not elect.
What caught my eye is the idea that "there is no basis for us to tell a lost person that God loves them, that Jesus died for them,
I had always thought the Calvinistic evangelism was like searching for the proverbial needle in a haystack,, the rare Elect person in the mass of reprobates, but had never thought of the effect of the presentation of the gospel to those who would never be able to experience it.
Smelley terms it "misleading" them to think that they might be savable, when in fact, there isn't a sliver of hope that this would happen.
BADG says it means all mankind, especially (but not exclusively) believers.
Doug