TibiasDad
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That's not what "world" means, no.
BADG says it means all mankind, especially (but not exclusively) believers.
Doug
That's not what "world" means, no.
Then pray tell what do you mean by it? (I don't want to presume.)
Doug
Where does Luke say "all individuals" in Rom. 5?
BADG says it means all mankind, especially (but not exclusively) believers.
Doug
Why don't you continue to "pray", and we'll see if your prayer is ever answered.
You just figured that out?
If you are this uninformed about the Bible, maybe you shouldn't presume to lecture others about what it means...
Just sayin'...
Where does Luke say "all individuals" in Rom. 5?
You just figured that out?
If you are this uninformed about the Bible, maybe you shouldn't presume to lecture others about what it means...
Just sayin'...
Where does Luke say "all individuals" in Rom. 5?
You ignore the fact BAGD does so in key passagesYou are uninformed, or intentionally misrepresenting BDAG.
It gives that as one of MANY meanings of the word.
But it does NOT say, "but not exclusively".
The fact that you have to CHANGE the definition of the term in order to try to support your false theology speaks volumes.
Again you run from the factsNo, I'm not "ignoring" ANY such thing.
But thank for quoting the entry, so that the poster who originally made the claim can actually see that it does NOT say, "(but not exclusively)".
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Again you run from the facts
You ignore the fact BAGD does so in key passages
b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.
Now in place of world substitute the all mankind of BAGD
Sorry that does not help you and your claim is totally false''Please lose the insults.
I'm not "running" from anything.
Nope.
YOU are the one who "ignores" BDAG.
So why are you IGNORING the "especially of believers" from BDAG's definition?!
YOU are the one ignoring BDAG, not me...
Sorry that does not help you and your claim is totally false''
b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.
That's right you should not tell anyone Christ died for them and God loves them. That's not biblical witness. Look in book of acts, full of evangelism, never are sinners told that. Wonder if you tell someone that and Christ didn't die for them, or God does not Love them. You told them a lie.Since God's redemptive plan excludes most people, there is no basis for us to tell a lost person that God loves them, that Jesus died for them
He doesn't have to say elect in 1 Cor 15 to be speaking of the Elect.Is there a difference between unconverted and not- yet-unconverted? Especially since we've established that they were "unconverted" at the time. (Since we're getting more specific.)
Where does Paul say the elect in 1 Corinthians 15?
Doug
The facts do not changeWhy did you ignore "especially of believers" and then pretend I was ignoring BDAG ?
It was a rather weak and unforthright effort
(This post has been brought to you by Prov. 26:5, and the letter "H". )
Well God didn't love all humanity ! Ps 5:5The facts do not change
b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.
William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.
you cannot remove the "of all mankind"
neither there or here
Metonymically, the world meaning the inhabitants of the earth, men, mankind (Matt. 5:14; 13:38; John 1:29; 3:16; Rom. 3:6, 19; 1 Cor. 4:13; 2 Cor. 5:19; Heb. 11:7; 2 Pet. 2:5; 1 John 2:2).
Complete word study dictionary
(3) all of humanity (Matt. 5:14; John 3:16; 1 Cor. 4:13); Holman treasury of bible words
the inhabitants of the world: θεατρον εγενηθημεν τω κοσμω και αγγελοις και ανθρωποις, 1 Corinthians 4:9 (Winer's Grammar, 127 (121)); particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race (first so in Sap. (e.g.10:1)): Matthew 13:38; 18:7; Mark 14:9; John 1:10, 29 (36 L in brackets); 3:16f; 6:33,51; 8:26; 12:47; 13:1; 14:31; 16:28; 17:6,21,23; Romans 3:6,19; 1 Corinthians 1:27f
Thayers Greek Engflish lexicons
(c) by metonymy, the "human race, mankind," e.g., Matt. 5:14; John 1:9 [here "that cometh (RV, 'coming') into the world" is said of Christ, not of "every man;" by His coming into the world He was the light for all men]; John 1:10; John 3:16, 17 (thrice),19; John 4:42, and frequently in Rom. 1 Cor. and 1 John; Vines expositorydictionary
and John's use of world clearly includes those who never believe
John 12:47 (KJV 1900)
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
John 12:47 (KJV 1900)
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world
Do you imagine scripture contradicts itself ?Well God didn't love all humanity ! Ps 5:5
5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
No. But God hates the workers of iniquity. No doubt about it. So your understanding of Jn 3:16 is error!Do you imagine scripture contradicts itself ?
John 3:16–17 (ESV)
For God So Loved the World
16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
All before salvation were workers of iniquity, ungodly and enemies of God
Romans 5:10 (KJV 1900)
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Ephesians 2:3 (KJV 1900)
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Romans 5:6–8 (KJV 1900)
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Yet God demonstrated his love by sending Christ to die
Sorry previous to salvation all have worked iniquityNo. But God hates the workers of iniquity. No doubt about it. So your understanding of Jn 3:16 is error!
In short, Jesus is teaching us to self-sacrificially love everyone, even our worse enemies, because that reflects the very nature of God Himself. LCF