There Is No Such Thing As An Atheist

bigthinker

Well-known member
False.
You are not the authority on who is, or is not, disingenuous.
I am well aware of the little games that atheists play in threads and I have no intention
of playing your little "You Lose-I Win" game.

Be sorry all you want, I am in no mood to play the following game with you:

Atheists Plans , , ,
Plan # 1 is to intimidate you to NOT post Bible verses as your
proof to back up your propositions.

Plan # 2 is to DEMAND that you supply Empirical proof and evidences
to prove your Christian propositions.

Plan # 3 is to ALWAYS declare whatever evidence you present to be
insufficient to prove your Christian propositions.

Net results? The net results is no matter what you present to activist thread atheists
they will ALWAYS tell you that you have failed to provide sufficient evidences to support
your Christian propositions.

My view is that if you allow them to "jerk you around" with the above impossible
situation, they will do exactly that.




Good.
By the way, what discussion?
It has been mostly you telling me what I could and could not do with regard to posting -- as if YOU
were
The Authority on that.
It has been mostly you trying to set and control the rules of what can and can not be said in posting.

Sounds good to me.
You are my ideological enemy and my view is that you
have zero intention of giving any serious consideration
to any arguments Christians present.


JAG

Bible Verse For Today.

"At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit,
said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth,
because you have hidden these things from the wise
and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes,
Father, for this is what you were pleased to do."
__The Lord Jesus Luke 10:21

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rstrats

Member
Jag,
re: "Activist thread-atheists will do all they can to 'shut down' and/or ridicule the presentation of Bible truths --"
re: "I am well aware of the little games that atheists play in threads..."

Your OP puts forth the assertion that there are no atheists, yet here you are referring to what you think atheists do.
 

Tercon

Well-known member
My view is that all men KNOW there is a God that created them.
I have strong Biblical reasons for believing this to be true.

Here they are , , ,


Romans 1:19-20
Romans 1:19-20 says "since what may be known about
God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to
them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible
qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have
been clearly seen, being understood from what has
been made, so that people are without excuse."

Note the particulars in Romans 1:19-20
{1) There is information that can be known about God.
{2} This information is plain to men.
{3} God Himself has made it plain to them.
{4} It has been plain to them since the creation of the world.
{5} God's eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen
{6} All this in understood from what God created.
{7} Therefore men are without excuse {for not believing in God.}

Romans 1:19-20 is the germ principle of the Teleological Argument
for the existence of God -- the argument from the Intelligent Design
of the Human Person, the Earth-Sun-Moon-Stars, and the Universe.


Psalm 19:1-4 , , ,
Psalm 19:1-4 says , , ,
"The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge.
They have no speech, they use no words;
no sound is heard from them.
Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world."

Note the particulars in Psalm 19:1-4
{1} The Heavens declare God's glory.
{2} The skies above proclaim His works
{3} Day after day they speak of God's creative work
{4} Night after night they reveal God's works
{5} They use no literal word but their voice goes out worldwide
{6} Therefore all men KNOW there is a God

Just because some men claim they lack belief in the existence
of God does not mean that they actually DO lack belief in the
existence of God. On Christian lights, God, in Romans, and in
other Bible verses, says there is no such thing as an atheist.
As a Christian I have a clear choice:
{1} I can believe what God says
{2} I can believe what mere men claim to be true.

I choose to believe {1}
{see list of those 5 Bible references below}


Romans 1:18
Romans 1:18 says that humans "suppress the truth." Atheists
are part of humanity, so Romans 1:18 applies to them also.


Romans 2:15 , , ,
Romans 2:15 says the requirements of the Laws of God are
"written on their hearts." So all men know there is a God that
created them.


Ecclesiastes 3:11 , , ,
Ecclesiastes 3:11 says , , ,
"He has also set eternity in the human heart"


Five Biblical References , , ,
These Bible verses clearly teach there is no such thing
as an atheist.
Romans 1:18-20
Romans 1:18
Romans 2:15
Psalm 19:1-4
Ecclesiastes 3:11

Best.

JAG


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I agree, there is no such thing as an atheist, because unbelief isn't a form of knowledge that can be known to exist in reality. But rather unbelief is just a lack of belief, because it is belief that does occur in reality. However, whenever a lack of what is necessary, in this case belief to make the truth and reality known to occur, then unbelief possesses no capacity to make itself known in reality.

Also you will notice that; if God is the truth and reality and God is omniscience too, then no unbelief exists in the reality of God.
 

rstrats

Member
Jag,
re: "My view is that all men KNOW there is a God that created them."

Hebrew 11:6 says that anyone who comes to god must believe that he is. I wonder what the reason is for saying this if everyone is a believer?
 

Bob Carabbio

Well-known member
So how does this prove there is no such thing as an atheist?
PSST! Since a person KNOWS there's a God (based in the things that they see He's Made - the "Cosmological argument" for God's existence presented in the Bible in Romans 1), then by definition, they're NOT an Atheist. Most "Atheists" here are nothing more than spiritually unregenerate Agnostics.
 

J regia

Well-known member
My view is that all men KNOW there is a God that created them.
I have strong Biblical reasons for believing this to be true.

Here they are , , ,


Romans 1:19-20
Romans 1:19-20 says "since what may be known about
God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to
them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible
qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have
been clearly seen, being understood from what has
been made, so that people are without excuse."

Note the particulars in Romans 1:19-20
{1) There is information that can be known about God.
{2} This information is plain to men.
{3} God Himself has made it plain to them.
{4} It has been plain to them since the creation of the world.
{5} God's eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen
{6} All this in understood from what God created.
{7} Therefore men are without excuse {for not believing in God.}

Romans 1:19-20 is the germ principle of the Teleological Argument
for the existence of God -- the argument from the Intelligent Design
of the Human Person, the Earth-Sun-Moon-Stars, and the Universe.


Psalm 19:1-4 , , ,
Psalm 19:1-4 says , , ,
"The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge.
They have no speech, they use no words;
no sound is heard from them.
Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world."

Note the particulars in Psalm 19:1-4
{1} The Heavens declare God's glory.
{2} The skies above proclaim His works
{3} Day after day they speak of God's creative work
{4} Night after night they reveal God's works
{5} They use no literal word but their voice goes out worldwide
{6} Therefore all men KNOW there is a God

Just because some men claim they lack belief in the existence
of God does not mean that they actually DO lack belief in the
existence of God. On Christian lights, God, in Romans, and in
other Bible verses, says there is no such thing as an atheist.
As a Christian I have a clear choice:
{1} I can believe what God says
{2} I can believe what mere men claim to be true.

I choose to believe {1}
{see list of those 5 Bible references below}


Romans 1:18
Romans 1:18 says that humans "suppress the truth." Atheists
are part of humanity, so Romans 1:18 applies to them also.


Romans 2:15 , , ,
Romans 2:15 says the requirements of the Laws of God are
"written on their hearts." So all men know there is a God that
created them.


Ecclesiastes 3:11 , , ,
Ecclesiastes 3:11 says , , ,
"He has also set eternity in the human heart"


Five Biblical References , , ,
These Bible verses clearly teach there is no such thing
as an atheist.
Romans 1:18-20
Romans 1:18
Romans 2:15
Psalm 19:1-4
Ecclesiastes 3:11

Best.

JAG


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Do Buddhists believe that a god created them?
Do people who have never heard about the bible believe that a god created them?
 

Gary Mac

Well-known member
False.
You are not the authority on who is, or is not, disingenuous.
I am well aware of the little games that atheists play in threads and I have no intention
of playing your little "You Lose-I Win" game.
Religious folk do the very same. They play this little game of follow my rules and win or dont follow my rules and loose. Denominations are notorious for this aren't they?
Be sorry all you want, I am in no mood to play the following game with you:

Atheists Plans , , ,
Plan # 1 is to intimidate you to NOT post Bible verses as your
proof to back up your propositions.

Plan # 2 is to DEMAND that you supply Empirical proof and evidences
to prove your Christian propositions.

Plan # 3 is to ALWAYS declare whatever evidence you present to be
insufficient to prove your Christian propositions.
I dont see much difference from an atheist and our denominational churches. How many of these actually follow the way of Christ and is like Him as God demands that ye be ye therefore perfect as He is perfect? Either one is like Him or you are not no matter what the tag you place on another.
Net results? The net results is no matter what you present to activist thread atheists
they will ALWAYS tell you that you have failed to provide sufficient evidences to support
your Christian propositions.

My view is that if you allow them to "jerk you around" with the above impossible
situation, they will do exactly that.

Denominations are notorious for that.
Good.
By the way, what discussion?
It has been mostly you telling me what I could and could not do with regard to posting -- as if YOU
were
The Authority on that.
It has been mostly you trying to set and control the rules of what can and can not be said in posting.

Sounds good to me.
You are my ideological enemy and my view is that you
have zero intention of giving any serious consideration
to any arguments Christians present.


JAG

Bible Verse For Today.

"At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit,
said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth,
because you have hidden these things from the wise
and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes,
Father, for this is what you were pleased to do."
__The Lord Jesus Luke 10:21
Yes Jesus praised his God, unfortunately religious folk has made Jesus a god instead of the One he praised. Not much different from atheists beliefs to regulate who God is or is not is it?
 

rstrats

Member
I have 2 choices:
{1{ I can believe what God said.
{2} I can believe what you say.

I choose to believe {1}

JAG




I have never been able to consciously choose any of the beliefs that I have and I would like to be able to do that. Since you say that you can choose to believe things, I wonder if you might explain how you do it. What do you do at the last moment to instantly change your one state of belief to another? What is it that you do that would allow you to say, "OK, at this moment I have a lack of belief that ‘x’ exists or is true, but I CHOOSE to believe that ‘x’ exists or is true and now instantly at this new moment I do believe that ‘x’ exists or is true?

Maybe you could use something like leprechauns to demonstrate your technique. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, a leprechaun is "a fairy peculiar to Ireland, who appeared in the form of an old man of minute stature, wearing a cocked hat and a leather apron." and who stores away his gold in a pot at the end of a rainbow, and If ever captured has to grant three wishes to the person who captures him.
 

rstrats

Member
So, assuming that you don’t already have a belief in them, how about right now, while you are reading this, CHOOSE to believe - be convinced without a doubt - that they exist. Now that you believe in leprechauns, my question is, how did you do it? How did you make the instantaneous transition from lack of belief to belief?
 

Gary Mac

Well-known member
Beliefs are manufactured with no substance to support those beliefs.
If one believes there is no God, or if one believe there is a God neither of these hold any reality.

The only way to know the truth is if God is manifest in you, beliefs are only opinion. Did Jesus only believe in God or was God manifest in him?
 

JAG

Active member
I have never been able to consciously choose any of the beliefs that I have and I would like to be able to do that. Since you say that you can choose to believe things, I wonder if you might explain how you do it. What do you do at the last moment to instantly change your one state of belief to another? What is it that you do that would allow you to say, "OK, at this moment I have a lack of belief that ‘x’ exists or is true, but I CHOOSE to believe that ‘x’ exists or is true and now instantly at this new moment I do believe that ‘x’ exists or is true?

Maybe you could use something like leprechauns to demonstrate your technique. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, a leprechaun is "a fairy peculiar to Ireland, who appeared in the form of an old man of minute stature, wearing a cocked hat and a leather apron." and who stores away his gold in a pot at the end of a rainbow, and If ever captured has to grant three wishes to the person who captures him.
"So, assuming that you don’t already have a belief in them, how about right now, while you are reading this, CHOOSE to believe - be convinced without a doubt - that they exist. Now that you believe in leprechauns, my question is, how did you do it? How did you make the instantaneous transition from lack of belief to belief?"___rstrats
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rstrats,

I am going to assume that you are sincerely asking questions
and sincerely desire answers. If I am wrong about that, and you
are merely looking for an opportunity to mock and ridicule faith,
then our exchange is going to be short-lived.

Here are the answers to your questions.
Nobody can become a Christian without the help of the Holy Spirit.
People who became Christians did not get up one morning and say
to themselves, "Hey I think I will start believing today in God and in
the Lord Jesus as my Savior."
It does not work that way. You MUST have God's help in order to come
to believe in Him --- and in His Son as your Savior.
How do you get God's help to do this? You sincerely ask Him to help
you believe. You can NOT come to belief in your own human strength. You
MUST have the supernatural help of the Holy Spirit in order to exercise
saving faith in the Lord Jesus as your Savior. Pray the following prayer sincerely
from your heart, and your life will instantly change and you will become a new
person:

"Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I ask for Your forgiveness.
I believe You died for my sins and rose from the dead. I turn from my sins
and invite You to come into my heart and life. I want to trust and follow
You as my Lord and Savior. In Your Name. Amen."

___from the Billy Graham Crusades

Mark 9:24 tells about a man that asked for help to believe. He did believe a little
bit, but he knew he needed God's help to believe fully -- so he said this:


"Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me
overcome my unbelief!” You too can pray that same type prayer.
You can ask God to help you believe.

I will do my best to give you my best answers to any other sincere
questions you may have.

Best Regards.

JAG


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rstrats

Member
JAG,

OK, sorry. I thought you were saying that you can consciously choose to believe things. I apparently misunderstood you.
 
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UncleAbee

Active member
I know lots of statements that God said in the Bible,
so I disagree with your post. My OP explains why.

Then this , , ,
I have 2 choices:
{1{ I can believe what God said.
{2} I can believe what you say.

I choose to believe {1}

JAG
I know plenty of atheists so I disagree with the OP. They usually fall into two camps.

1 - Convinced there aren't any gods.
2 - Convinced the god of the Christian bible doesn't exist. Agnostic on whether there is some god out there somewhere.

None of them live their lives dependent on any kind of God. They would say there is not enough evidence to believe in any God. They also do not believe what the bible says. They think it's just another god myth. Their main problem with the bible is that the claims in it are untestable and that there are too many discrepancies in it. Throwing scripture at them is useless. For them to believe you would have to "produce" God Himself.

I also have problems with your "choose to believe" language. I don't think that's true. People are either convinced of something or not. I don't know of anyone who chooses what they believe.
 

JAG

Active member
I know plenty of atheists so I disagree with the OP. They usually fall into two camps.

1 - Convinced there aren't any gods.
2 - Convinced the god of the Christian bible doesn't exist. Agnostic on whether there is some god out there somewhere.

None of them live their lives dependent on any kind of God. They would say there is not enough evidence to believe in any God. They also do not believe what the bible says. They think it's just another god myth. Their main problem with the bible is that the claims in it are untestable and that there are too many discrepancies in it. Throwing scripture at them is useless. For them to believe you would have to "produce" God Himself.

I also have problems with your "choose to believe" language. I don't think that's true. People are either convinced of something or not. I don't know of anyone who chooses what they believe.
Disagreement is not a problem.
Humans disagree on everything from A to Z.
Humans do not generally agree on the color of an orange.
Compare the constant never-ending bickering and squabbling that goes on
24/7/365 in Washington DC between the Republicans and Democrats and the
Conservatives and Liberals and between the various "flavors" of worldwide
Christendom.
Hobbs was correct, Its a "war of all against all."


Regarding alleged so-called "atheists" :
I have two choices here:
{1} I can agree with UncleAbee
or
{2} I can agree with the Apostle Paul

I choose to agree with Paul and I choose NOT to agree with UncleAbee.

Paul {and God speaking through Paul} made it clear that there is no such thing
as an atheist. All men know there is a God that created them REGARDLESS OF WHAT
THEY CLAIM TO NOT BELIEVE {the CAPS are from emphasis only.}
These Bible verses clearly teach there is no such thing
as an atheist.
Romans 1:18-20
Romans 1:18
Romans 2:15
Psalm 19:1-4
Ecclesiastes 3:11

Then this:

Henry is an "Atheist."
There is nothing Higher in Henry's world than Henry.
Henry is his own Supreme Being.
Henry is his own god.
The name of Henry's god is Henry.
The name of Henry's religion is Henryism.
The Religion Of Henryism.
Therefore Henry also practices the Religion Of Atheism
because Henry has a god named Henry.
So?
So so-called "atheism" is de facto a religion and functions like one.
Its a false religion based upon a false claim and they know its a false
claim when they announce it. They know very well there is a God that
created them and they merely pretend they don't know while they
de facto worship their own Glorious Selves.

_____________


Regarding "choose to believe" :
The entire Bible is based upon several major principles and one of those
principles ai human Free Will and this can be demonstrated with literally
thousands of Bible verses that call upon human beings to choose to have
faith -- Jesus said "Have faith in God" {Mark 11;22} -- this is just another
way of Jesus saying Choose to have faith in God or Choose to believe.

Joshua told the people to choose you this day who you will serve and he said
as for him and his family they would choose to serve the Lord which would
necessarily involve shooing to believe certain truths.


Best.


JAG


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UncleAbee

Active member
Disagreement is not a problem.
Humans disagree on everything from A to Z.
Humans do not generally agree on the color of an orange.
Compare the constant never-ending bickering and squabbling that goes on
24/7/365 in Washington DC between the Republicans and Democrats and the
Conservatives and Liberals and between the various "flavors" of worldwide
Christendom.
Hobbs was correct, Its a "war of all against all."


Regarding alleged so-called "atheists" :
I have two choices here:
{1} I can agree with UncleAbee
or
{2} I can agree with the Apostle Paul

I choose to agree with Paul and I choose NOT to agree with UncleAbee.

Paul {and God speaking through Paul} made it clear that there is no such thing
as an atheist. All men know there is a God that created them REGARDLESS OF WHAT
THEY CLAIM TO NOT BELIEVE {the CAPS are from emphasis only.}
These Bible verses clearly teach there is no such thing
as an atheist.
Romans 1:18-20
Romans 1:18
Romans 2:15
Psalm 19:1-4
Ecclesiastes 3:11

Then this:

Henry is an Atheist.
There is nothing Higher in Henry's world than Henry.
Henry is his own Supreme Being.
Henry is his own god.
The name of Henry's god is Henry.
The name of Henry's religion is Henryism.
The Religion Of Henryism.
Therefore Henry also practices the Religion Of Atheism
because Henry has a god named Henry.

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Regarding "choose to believe" :
The entire Bible is based upon several major principles and one of those
principles ai human Free Will and this can be demonstrated with literally
thousands of Bible verses that call upon human beings to choose to have
faith -- Jesus said "Have faith in God" {Mark 11;22} -- this is just another
way of Jesus saying Choose to have faith in God or Choose to believe.

Joshua told the people to choose you this day who you will serve and he said
as for him and his family they would choose to serve the Lord which would
necessarily involve shooing to believe certain truths.


Best.


JAG


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"Disagreement" is the problem. I know people who are atheists. There's a channel on YouTube called the Atheist Experience. The OP states "There is no such thing as an atheist." There is a such thing and to say there is not is denying reality.

I see you are saying that God has revealed Himself to them and they are in denial. Those passages you quote are not saying that. Romans 1:18-23 is discussing paganism. Rom 2:15 is talking about Gentiles following the law even though they are unaware of a written law. Paul is not saying they are denying God who has revealed Himself. Rather he is saying they are innately following the law from God even though they may not realize it. You are taking snippets of text out of context.

Again, I don't think anyone chooses what they believe. They are convinced or not convinced based on evidence. The disciples in Mark 11:22 were already Jews and already believers in God. By telling them to "Have faith" Jesus wasn't asking them to choose what they believe. It's the same with Joshua. The people he was talking to were already believers in God. It's like as if I show you a car and a bicycle and ask you to choose which one you want. I am not asking you to choose what you believe. Joshua was asking the Israelites to choose between God whom they had a bunch of experiences with or to serve the false God of the Amorites which they also had experience with. He's asking them to choose between two known things.
 

rstrats

Member
I don't think anyone chooses what they believe.

That certainly has been the case with me. I have never been able to consciously choose any of the beliefs that I have, nor has any one that I have asked to demonstrate such an ability complied with my request.
 

York

Active member
Question isn't 'Do atheists believe in God?'. Its whether God believes in athiests?

Seemingly he does, what with doing his level best to do an Oskar Schindler on them..
 

civic

Well-known member
Interesting OP I would add to the post that in God's eyes there are only believers and unbelievers as he does not make any more categories for people to fall into.
Agreed there are the children of God/ the children of the devil, children of light/ children of darkness, serving the god of this world / serving the God of the Bible etc.......

Always two contrasting categories of people groups.
 

Gary Mac

Well-known member
All these beliefs that you guys display is only opinions. What if God really did send Jesus to show you the way to Him and be perfect as He is perfect, righteous, holy, pure, and without sin? Would that maker a difference in your belief systems?
 

JAG

Active member
I know people who are atheists.
False.
You do not.
You know people who claim to be atheists.
"People" claim all sorts of nonsense. Just watch cable news shows.
Just listen to the contradictory "experts" on Covie [COVID].
__________

Just as there are people who claim to have once been Christians
and who claim to have de-converted. There is no such thing as a
Christian who de-converts. The Bible makes it clear they were
never Christians in the first place. Jesus said that His sheep listen
to His voice and they will not follow strangers and that he gives
them eternal life and they shall never perish. The Apostle John
said that the apostates who claimed to be Christians were never
really one of the Christians at all. This is in 1 John.


There's a channel on YouTube called the Atheist Experience. The OP states "There is no such thing as an atheist." There is a such thing and to say there is not is denying reality.

A denial of YOUR reality -- but NOT a denial of my reality and NOT a
denial of the reality of the Bible verses listed in my Opening Post.

I see you are saying that God has revealed Himself to them and they are in denial.
Exactly.
God has indeed revealed Himself to them and they are indeed in denial
and they KNOW there is a God that created them There is no such thing
as an atheist.


Those passages you quote are not saying that. Romans 1:18-23 is discussing paganism. Rom 2:15 is talking about Gentiles following the law even though they are unaware of a written law. Paul is not saying they are denying God who has revealed Himself. Rather he is saying they are innately following the law from God even though they may not realize it. You are taking snippets of text out of context.
You can stick with your interpretation of those verses and I will stick with my
interpretation of all those verses in my Opening Post.
There is no such thing as an atheist.

Again, I don't think anyone chooses what they believe.
You are wrong and amazingly wrong too.
The entire Bible the word of God is written on the assumption that men
choose to either believe or choose NOT to believe -- otherwise the entire
Bible becomes absurd nonsense. John 3:16 asks all men to make a choice
and to choose:
{1} choose to believe and get eternal life
or
{2} choose not to believe and perish

Joshua told the people to choose you this day whom you will serve:
{1} either the false gods of that time
or
{2} the God of Israel
The people chose the false gods of that time
So they made a choice and you putting your personal
spin, wiggle, and twist on it -- does not change the FACT
that the people of Joshua's time made a choice about what
to believe and what to do based upon what they believed.

Jesus says He stands at the door and knocks and the assumption is
the person on the inside has to choose:
{1} choose to open the door
or
{2} choose NOT to open the door


They are convinced or not convinced based on evidence.
That so called "evidence" objection is a load of pure nonsense.
There is tons and tons of solid evidence for the existence of God
and the reason the so-called "atheists" pay it zero attention and
claim that it does not exist is because they desire to be their own
god and they do not want the God that created them telling them
what to do and what not to do -- and its all just that simple.

By the way, You have allowed the so-called "atheists" to pull your leg.
They have got you right where they want you -- taking them serious
and paying serious attention to their silliness about "no evidence"
for God. They will "jerk you around" forever asking you to go get
them "evidence" and when you do go get them "evidence" they will
ALWAYS tell you that the evidence is insufficient and not convincing.
They will keep you running in circles forever -- as long as you are
gullible enough to play their silly game. Wise up.

JAG


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