And I know Christian converts who disagree with you. So what?
You mean like this: (from the above reference)
I'll show you where the Word created all things and without the Word, nothing was made that was made. How about that? Will you believe?
Yes...you have a body. God has a body...and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. For a season, immortality put on mortality, so that mortality could be swallowed up in immortality.
I have a crazy schedule. Your posts require time and reflexion.
Your logic is finite.
He clearly said, "Let us create man in our image and in our likeness." And you say he has neither image nor likeness...
Nope...Read the strong's definition you posted again. You actually served my point extremely well.
I know...Insulting the intelligence of others with disrespect and a dash of blasphemy seems to serve your purpose...but it's actually wasted on me. You have limited your god, and denied the Word the Living Truth gave you to know Him.
3 figurative = mere, empty, image, semblance, ׳בְּצ Psalm 39:7 as (ב essentiae) a (mere) semblance man walks about; צַלְמָם תִּבְזֶה Psalm 73:20 thou wilt despise their semblance.
And so is a physical image.
I've explained how a figurative image, an idea, isn't physical, and that's the image spoken of.
We know God isn't physical or you'd have to explain your godhead creation.
Nope. I never said that. Why falsify what I said?
You're the one confused about what I've said.
Yep. You missed part of it.
Sorry. A physical god is limited. That's why those with knees and tongues will confess the true God. Guess who that includes?
I already showed you that God, the Father, spoke all into existence.
Who created your gods bodies?
Rotfl... then this isn't God.
Who in your godhead acts as the female model for Eve?
No problem.
Yes...and without the Word was not anything made that was made, as John rightly points out.
Who eliminated your god's likeness and image, and rendered the Torah to nonsensical, meaningless claims? Your question is as insulting as you enjoy making it, and meaningless.
Well...He's clearly not your limited god, incapable of fulfilling the promise of scripture. But your god is bereft of image and likeness, and, in short, Truth.
The Church. There is a wedding. Where is the female in your non-existent image of god?
I like having more time...It doesn't happen often.
Prove it...apart from time as God is apart from time. You are making claims from a realm you have never approached. I'll stick to what God actually said...He has an image and a likeness...and He created Adam in both.
You've shown me what you had to make up to deny scripture. I understand that the Torah can be very inconvenient when you prefer non-scriptural explanations. It's a pesky stumbling block, when God made it so clear.
We know God walked with Adam in the cool of the day. I don't have to explain that...but you definitely do.
Sorry...I do apologize...
No...I understand your words and their implication. You balk at the implication, and deny it when I refer to it. Does God have an actual image? Does He have a likeness? Outside of "character"?
Actually...I posted the part you continue to deny. I actually read the entire definition...etymology fascinates me.
No need to apologize for you limited understanding...a God Who cannot manifest according to His Way and according to His Will to fulfill His Word as He promised He would is limited by those who created him in their imagination and according to their fantasies.
God just spoke. There wasn't another person called the word involved.
God just speaks. He doesn't have arms.
God doesn't need advice from anyone. He just speaks and it's done.
Answer my previous question. The idea of gods with a body is very Mormon.
You've said previously your God has a body.
Who created your gods bodies then?
The church wasn't around in the garden.
That's in your parking lot since your gods have bodies.
Ok.
When you make something physical, it is confined to space and time. Are you familiar with the basic physics equations for distance, position, speed, etc.? A body is limited.
And neither were physical. Why did Jesus say that God is neither flesh nor blood? The basis for that is Isaiah 40:18,25; 46:6, where the root damah is used for likeness. This same root is used for blood, what is physically comparable, and the basis for the root for adam, man.
I'm not the one that doesn't understand the basics like above.
Just a voice traveled.
Rotfl...
Ok.
Actually, I gave the whole Strong's and you picked the top ones.
This is probably why you don't really understand the problems with a physical god.
Wonderful. I posted the part you denied.
Rotfl... creation manifests God's wisdom. A physical god would manifest it is created.
The heavens and the earth declare the glory of God.
So, did your god have a body before being incarnated? If so, where did they get their physical bodies from?
Before the incarnation, He was the Word...and all things were made by Him and without Him was not anything made that was made. The Word is the Hand of God that formed all matter. There was no physical body that was not dependent on the Word, and all things are held together by that Word of His Power.
God spoke, and that Word created.
The Word is the creative arm of God. With Him, He "forms". He "lifts". He "creates". He "makes."
And He does nothing apart from the Word. What you said here does not respond to my point.
The idea of Theophany is very OT. With Whom did Jacob night-wrestle, before he became Israel? Hmm? Did He have a body to wrestle with?
Your explanation is lacking Biblical authority...Jesus said no such thing to Peter. He said "Spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see." They were somewhat dumbfounded the first time He appeared after the resurrection...
You misunderstood what I said previously. I said, "Adam was created in the image of God and in His likeness." As it is written. That's my claim, and your explanation has always been wanting.
As I said, your limited elohim are bereft of image and likeness, and, in short, Truth.
Isn't that something...Time plays into the equation...and God foreknew and foresaw all things. It is not good for man to be alone. He needs, bone for bone, flesh for flesh, image for image, one to love.
Nope. Still parked in your tabernacle. This is not an answer. Where is the female in your non-existent image of god?
There's zero evidence of that. God that Father, Creator, just spoke and it all happened.
False. One Father, one Creator, Malachi 2:10.
The Father just spoke.
So the word had a body before? Who created the body?
Contradicts Tanakh.
I believe you're right.
Are you familiar with quantum physics? They defy all equations, and logic. You have artificially limited your view to your own frame of reference. And you claim nonetheless the authority to describe God.
He never did.
Isaiah 40:18To whom will you liken God?
Nothing in Strong's agrees with you. Blood is dam, a primitive root...Damah is the verb to resemble. A primitive root. Likeness is derived from the verb damah.
Some might deduce otherwise...like above.
Voices walk?
I picked the pertinent definition. It was applicable, and ignored by you.
This is why you don't understand a God Who creates man in His image and His likeness. It's why you cannot grasp the Word made flesh, Who IS able to dwell among us. And why you have to deny the all-night wrestling match that gave Israel his limp, and prevented you from eating the right thigh.
Don't need top deny. I accept the entirety...even that part you deny.
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Agreed.
His word doesn't return void. No additional person needed.
God the Father's words8 of creation become physical as well. Jesus isn't special as a creation.
The word isn't a person. You won't find that in Tanakh.
When He speaks things happen.
Then He doesn't need the son for creation.
An angel. Angels represent God, and are called God too, as was Moses, Ex 7:1, etc.
Yes, an angel was a man.
Jesus remained flesh and blood.
And you said your god has a body. So, please explain what body your god had prior to creation?
You don't understand either term.
Right, it's not good for man to be alone. God is another story. Nehemiah 9:6 says He's alone and created alone.
Whatever.
That was my question to you since you said your god has a body?
Explain it to me? But if you don't understand the physics equations, how will you understand the rest?
He sure did.
Yep, the root for likeness comes from damah used for physical comparisons, blood, and adam. God isn't associated to these.
It does. Idols are created by hand, as are all things physical. God is none of these.
That's the likeness and image we have to God. That's why humans, like kings, are called elohim as well.
No need to when we all can chose to come close.
I rely on other sources besides Strong's such as the etymological Hebrew dictionary by Hirsch.
Yep, and mankind. God is not man, has no blood, and isn't physical.
You should keep digging.
They travel, like sound does.
No, Strong's selectively chooses what it wants for the verses. You just admitted you ignored my choice even though it was valid based on Strong's.
No, it's why I understand that image and likeness can't be physical because everything physical is finite and limited.
Rotfl... I've answered all of this.
Rotfl... if that were true, you would have posted the other definition..
Well, God the Father's spoken words did create everything. Even Jesus in the womb.
Then quote the chapter and verse. That should be easy...unless you're making it up. He did say, as I quoted above already, "A spirit does not have flesh and bone, as you see I have." Close as you get. I can get you that reference if your concordance fails you.
Who wrote Genesis? Who inspired Genesis? Who said, "In the image of God created He him...." The association is His.
All things physical are not created by hand...All things physical were created by the Word, which still holds all things physical together.
Yep...
This is cute, but it's false. It's a good start. It's not the end. Close is not in. Close is held back by the limits you have put on your god. There was never a point where atonement no longer required the blood of the lamb, and the scapegoat to Azazel. Titus did not end Aaron's duties. He only destroyed all the tools. Rabbinical pragmatism and pure rationalization did not abrogate the righteous requirements of the Law. Neither did Daniel in Babylon. He understood the seventy years. They passed and the sacrifice was restored as promised. Yet, what happened because of Ahaz and Menasseh was never OK...or swept under the altar. Nothing will cleanse Tophet but Messiah's gift.
I can see that. There's no lack of jealousy for your knowledge. I hope you can see that.
Yep. And He was manifested in the Flesh, because He has no limits, and His Chesed has no limits.
Always good advice.
In the Garden they heard the voice of God walking...(halak).
No...I noticed you insist on ignoring my choice. When I translate, I acknowledge nuances...because they don't escape the native speaker. Hebrew is one of the greatest languages I've ever seen for plays on words. French is known for its like delightful richness.
Only in your finite and limited perspective. This is really a vapid argument. Everything Isaiah saw in chapter six had both form and substance...Everything John saw in the Revelation, likewise. They were able to describe what they saw, and only inadequately. I can't understand what makes you think yourself adequate to describe something you have never seen.
No...I'm forced to repeat redundantly that God's word is the hand that created. See what I just wrote above. You, being deliberately limited, are stuck with a dogma that cannot grasp what Isaiah and Israel and Abraham and Adam saw. They each looked for a city whose builder and maker is God...
Albeit inadequately according to your own deliberate limitations.
No...the rest did not pertain, and proved nothing at all. I'm not in denial that the word encompasses the entire definition....
You're beginning to understand.