Open Heart
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You don't know that. Sheesh.He loved God like you never will.
You don't know that. Sheesh.He loved God like you never will.
You don't know that. Sheesh.
Can love be quantified?What percentage of complete love for God alone do you think you have?
90%?
Can love be quantified?
The point is that no one can see the heart and quantify how much love it has. Therefore you can't say that when X and Y both claim to love and act loving, you can't say which of them has greater love. It's impossible.Can you love only a little?
The point is that no one can see the heart and quantify how much love it has. Therefore you can't say that when X and Y both claim to love and act loving, you can't say which of them has greater love. It's impossible.
You cannot quantify love. I've already said this. Love is the decision to put the other above your own interests. You either love or you don't.You are avoiding answering the question like the plague.
How much do you love God on a scale of 1-100?
You cannot quantify love.
I've already said this. Love is the decision to put the other above your own interests. You either love or you don't.
And yet Jesus still didn't pay all the debts required by the law for forgiveness.He loved God like you never will.
Hmmm... who would you say loves the other more? The child or the parent?Says who? You did not deny you can love a little, and that is a quantification.
So there are no degrees of love, there is no such thing as imperfect love?
That's ridiculous.
You can admit you just don't know exactly how much you love God, I will accept that answer.
What percentage love did Jesus have for God? Where does the NT state the percentage? When Jesus had doubt, fear, regarding his death, was that 100% love?What percentage of complete love for God alone do you think you have?
90%?
How do you think you can measure love? How do can you reliably say that one person loves more than another person.Says who? You did not deny you can love a little, and that is a quantification.
So there are no degrees of love, there is no such thing as imperfect love?
That's ridiculous.
You can admit you just don't know exactly how much you love God, I will accept that answer.
You need to admit Jesus didn't fulfill this obligation of the law.I may not know exactly how much I love God—and in fact I am most likely deceived about how much I love God—but the fact is I can know I don't love God as much as I should.
You see, it's hard to raise an awareness of sin in a self-righteous man. If someone thinks sins are something God can forgive easily and they are just small little mistakes, they will never understand how holy God is and how sinful they really are—the vast and extreme gap between them and their Creator.
17 `Can a mortal be more righteous than God? Can a man be more pure than his Maker?
18 If He puts no trust in His servants, If He charges His angels with error,
19 How much more those who dwell in houses of clay, Whose foundation is in the dust, Who are crushed before a moth?
20 They are broken in pieces from morning till evening; They perish forever, with no one regarding.
21 Does not their own excellence go away? They die, even without wisdom.' (Job 4:17-21 NKJ)
Yet Job, put under the most extreme conditions, did two things: number one, he refused to give up his sense of self-righteousness that bought him a sense of entitlement with God:
29 Yield now, let there be no injustice! Yes, concede, my righteousness still stands!
30 Is there injustice on my tongue? Cannot my taste discern the unsavory? (Job 6:29-30 NKJ)
And secondly, he started sinning more than he ever did in his life by constantly accusing God of injustice and complaining about his circumstances!
So how do you show a person who never did any outwardly horrific sin that they are extremely sinful compared to God's perfect holiness and therefore deserve judgment? The only way you can do that is by increasing their understand of what perfection is, not lessening the requirements of the law.
27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old1,`You shall not commit adultery.'
28 "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (Matt. 5:27-28 NKJ)
43 "You have heard that it was said,`You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
44 "But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you1, (Matt. 5:43-44 NKJ)
No one can do this! No one can live perfectly pure and loving like this! No one but Christ.
Forget about paying some monetary debt as fulfilling the law. Doing all the external things the law commands as mere actions cover up hundreds of bad attitudes underneath.
Well, not paying the debt certainly shows no love for the person it's owed to nor God.What if I pay that debt without loving God, with a heart full of resentment and pride? That's not fulfilling the law, because the law still commands certain attitudes, and attitudes are invisible and only see by God as you both have pointed out.
No, it's called not playing into your games.Now there's a reason you both keep evading and distracting from answer the question. As soon as you come up with any number that is not 100% you realize you have fallen short, you have done something wrong, you have failed God. That puts you in a certain moral bind.
Then, focus on yourself.I have never loved God 100%, I want to get things out of God or feel good about myself, or use people and situations to meet my selfish needs.
No one is making demands of God. Since you've quoted Job above,And the thing is, when I realize this, I wish I really could and did love God completely and perfectly because surely he deserves that.
And that knowledge of failing the law puts me in a place where I know I need the grace of God, instead of just demands from him.