This 1 parable refutes all 5 points of calvinism- tulip

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see the parable on the lost sheep

still diverting, conflating and equivocating.

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Chalcedon said:
see the parable on the lost sheep

still diverting, conflating and equivocating.

hope this helps !!!
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I did not ask about sheep. I asked about the goats.

Does Christ also pursue the sheep?

Try this one. Do goats become sheep?

Still waiting on your expertise ?
 
Reformedguy said:
I did not ask about sheep. I asked about the goats.

Does Christ also pursue the sheep?

Try this one. Do goats become sheep?

Still waiting on your expertise ?
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you changed the topic away from sheep.

you go pursue the goats.
 
see the parable of the lost sheep.

I'm not interested in your diversion and conflating.

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Fallacy of the sheep and goats

Matthew 25:31-46 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep...
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the above exposes the fallacy :love:
 
Reformedguy said:
Did He also go after the goats? Missed your answer 40 years.

Dodging again.
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tulip ? refuted in the parable from the OP

T- man can choose to hear, see and receive the gospel
U- all can choose to believe and receive as demonstrated in the parable of the 4 soils
L- all soils received the seed without exception
I- 3 soils resisted all but 1 soil remained faithful and did not resist
P- 3/4 soils ( minds/hearts )did not preserver in the faith

* And as we can see they all had life to begin with in each soil. Only something alive can be choked. You cannot choke the dead lol.
* And only something alive can be scorched by the Sun and withered.
* Only someone alive can receive the word in the heart and have it snatched away
* Only someone alive can receive the word with Joy and endure for a while

hope this helps !!!
 
@Reformedguy you now have your very own goat ? thread with the parable that has refuted your false premise and equivocating. This is the wrong parable to discuss goats ? and your diversion which is off topic .

hope this helps !!!
 
Chalcedon said:
tulip ? refuted in the parable from the OP

T- man can choose to hear, see and receive the gospel
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There parable doesn't assert any such thing.

Chalcedon said:
U- all can choose to believe and receive as demonstrated in the parable of the 4 soils
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The parable of the soils doesn't teach "all can choose to believe".
It is only the PREPARED soil that can bear fruit, and others are prevented, not of themselves, but due to external sources (such as birds).

Chalcedon said:
L- all soils received the seed without exception
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But they didn't all produce fruit.
As Paul wrote in 1 Cor. 3, man can plant, man can water, but it is only GOD who can give the increase.

Chalcedon said:
I- 3 soils resisted all but 1 soil remained faithful and did not resist
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That's not what "irresistible grace" teaches.
To apply this point to the parable, it was only the prepared soil that received "irresistible grace".

Chalcedon said:
P- 3/4 soils ( minds/hearts )did not preserver in the faith
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... because they never HAD faith in the first place.
In case you weren't aware, the seed does not represent faith, it represents the gospel.

Chalcedon said:
* And as we can see they all had life to begin with in each soil.
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Wrong again.
 
Chalcedon said:
tulip ? refuted in the parable from the OP

T- man can choose to hear, see and receive the gospel
U- all can choose to believe and receive as demonstrated in the parable of the 4 soils
L- all soils received the seed without exception
I- 3 soils resisted all but 1 soil remained faithful and did not resist
P- 3/4 soils ( minds/hearts )did not preserver in the faith

* And as we can see they all had life to begin with in each soil. Only something alive can be choked. You cannot choke the dead lol.
* And only something alive can be scorched by the Sun and withered.
* Only someone alive can receive the word in the heart and have it snatched away
* Only someone alive can receive the word with Joy and endure for a while

hope this helps !!!
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Does He also pursue the goats?
 
Chalcedon said:
tulip ? refuted in the parable from the OP

T- man can choose to hear, see and receive the gospel
U- all can choose to believe and receive as demonstrated in the parable of the 4 soils
L- all soils received the seed without exception
I- 3 soils resisted all but 1 soil remained faithful and did not resist
P- 3/4 soils ( minds/hearts )did not preserver in the faith

* And as we can see they all had life to begin with in each soil. Only something alive can be choked. You cannot choke the dead lol.
* And only something alive can be scorched by the Sun and withered.
* Only someone alive can receive the word in the heart and have it snatched away
* Only someone alive can receive the word with Joy and endure for a while

hope this helps !!!
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Bump for @Reformedguy to address the above points to have been ignoring.

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