Eightcrackers
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Morality only needs two things:The ideas of right and wrong are abstract concepts that will occur to creatures capable of abstract thought, much like numbers and logic. Then what is right or wrong is thought of in the same way. That's where morality comes from, you don't need a morl God.
Unfortunately human nature can rationalise what is good or bad according to societal norms of the time and self interest.
1. Sense of harm to the self, and
2. Empathy.
That's it. To say that these couldn't come about without a god, is a stretch.