You clearly were replying to a question about the rulesNever mentioned anything as being a rule on this forum. Your simply being dishonest.
I will pray for you
and your reply assumes that context
Man up and come clean
You clearly were replying to a question about the rulesNever mentioned anything as being a rule on this forum. Your simply being dishonest.
I will pray for you
Never mentioned any rules. Never claimed it was a rule of these discussion forums.You clearly were replying to a question about the rules
and your reply assumes that context
Man up and come clean
Again you seek distortionNever mentioned any rules. Never claimed it was a rule of these discussion forums.
Your simply being dishonest AGAIN.
Such a shame.
fltom said:
Is calling someone a liar against the rules?
Not if it's true and documented.
Never said any such thing.Again you seek distortion
Your words
You clearly are arguing the rules allow such an exception
Notice your attempt to ignore the context and divirce your words from itNever said any such thing.
Notice lurkers now it's implied. First it was I said.
fltom said:
Is calling someone a liar against the rules?
Not if it's true and documented.
Quote me mentioning CARMS rules or your simply lying.Notice your attempt to ignore the context and divirce your words from it
Your words
Hello
You are not being honest here
Another rule breakerQuote me mentioning CARMS rules or your simply lying.
May God grant you repentance
fltom said:
Is calling someone a liar against the rules?
Not if it's true and documented.
@David1701Woah! Assumption alert!
From where do you get that uncorrupted Adam (without sin and, therefore, without sinful desires) was able to choose evil, without corrupting himself by desiring it first?
And the second assumption is based on the first - that the supposed ability to rebel against God, from an uncorrupt nature that had no sin, was very good.
Which comes first: desire or action?
Then you think wrongly. Corruptibility obviously includes the changes that corruption would produce in the person's desires. There is no need at all to start out with any inclination to sin, built in to Adam.@David1701
I have been thinking about this further and am at an impasse in my thinking as to some og my comments post OP.
I think that what you are saying is that there may have been in some way an 'inclination' to sin built into Adam as well as his corruptibility.
God did not construct the universe in such a way that evil merely could exist (what would such a phrase even mean, given God's omniscience and omnipotence?); but in a way in which it would exist.God is sovereign--He is all powerful in that no thing--no created thing can over power Him and His will.
So He constructed the universe in such a way that evil could exist, but He did so for a 'good' reason.
Romans 8:28 and Eph 2:5-7
I am studying, among other things, evil and what men before us did while attempting to explain how a perfect God could allow evil and what has resulted from it. Thinking about these things has been edifying.
OK---that is good, then.Then you think wrongly. Corruptibility obviously includes the changes that corruption would produce in the person's desires. There is no need at all to start out with any inclination to sin, built in to Adam.
Perhaps a bad choice of words, on my part.God did not construct the universe in such a way that evil merely could exist (what would such a phrase even mean, given God's omniscience and omnipotence?); but in a way in which it would exist.
I wouldn't say that the ability to make a Bad Choice is something God declared to be Good. God told Moses, 'Hey, lets kill Israel and make a People from you'. Moses said, 'Far be it from you to break your Promise'. I'm not saying that God would renig, but he put the Offer on the table; and it would have been a Bad Choice...Because God after finishing His Creation, including Adam; declared it all to be good and that must include the reality that Adam was made in such a way to 'choose'. That ability to make that bad choice, was also 'good'.
I'm not saying that God would renig, but he put the Offer on the table; and it would have been a Bad Choice...
This could be interesting...You're saying God would suggest a bad choice?!!
Seems quite irreverent.
Then you are far ahead of the rest of us brother...I think this comes down to an area that we are simply incapable of understanding and that God wills it this way--at least for now.
I am satisfied with not fully understanding. I am satisfied, that my mind isn't capable of knowing His ways---they are past finding out.
There are things that are both true at the same time and yet appear to contradict. Because we can't reconcile them, doesn't change that. Indeed, we should not attempt to negate what scripture says, but be content with a lack of additional explanation in scripture.
I doubt that. I have given much thought to some things over the last couple years. Things that frankly, I just accepted because they are what I see is plain in scripture. Since reading forums, I have heard arguments and counter arguments, that I haven't dealt with in much detail. I have been challenged to being able to better articulate those things that I have come to believe and how I came to believe them.Then you are far ahead of the rest of us brother...
You are nearing 'Sage Stage'. Saint Paul said he determined to know only Christ and him Crucifed...I doubt that. I have given much thought to some things over the last couple years. Things that frankly, I just accepted because they are what I see is plain in scripture. Since reading forums, I have heard arguments and counter arguments, that I haven't dealt with in much detail. I have been challenged to being able to better articulate those things that I have come to believe and how I came to believe them.
I spent many years 'preaching to the choir'--so to speak.
After all of the years, I continue to realize how little I know.
And that my brother is where I have set my tent pegs for a long time...hence my 'Salvation is Relocation' message.You are nearing 'Sage Stage'. Saint Paul said he determined to know only Christ and him Crucifed...
You are almost ready...
Nail in a Holy place - by ReverendRVAnd that my brother is where I have set my tent pegs for a long time...hence my 'Salvation is Relocation' message.
Are you saying God planned for and determined sin?Then you think wrongly. Corruptibility obviously includes the changes that corruption would produce in the person's desires. There is no need at all to start out with any inclination to sin, built in to Adam.
God did not construct the universe in such a way that evil merely could exist (what would such a phrase even mean, given God's omniscience and omnipotence?); but in a way in which it would exist.